What is the "Big Lie"? What is the consequence of believing in it?

[kjw47]

But if the curse can be broken by eating from the other tree, then God CAN lie. Ensuring they don't use the one other magic tree You put up doesn't make You "right", only "a sore loser".


Clearly the ancient world needed more tornado shelters.


In many ancient cultures, certain foods or drinks or spells or something could confer divine powers/status. Both the ancient Greeks and Chinese had secret gardens with divine fruit.

Gods could be "promoted" from mortals. They could be born, live, die, etc. As the bible progresses, God loses more and more of the original concepts of divinity in favor of some Hellenized overthinking oneupmanship.


And then God verifies the real reason as stated by the serpent. God was being dishonest about why they shouldn't eat it, like telling your child that if he frowns his face will be stuck that way forever.


Where is this relationship described? God gives Adam a rule or two and disappears from the story until it's time to whine about Adam and Eve disobeying Him.


And even that's wrong, because God never says you can't touch it, but then again, the rule predated Eve's creation.


If your kids color on the walls and you warned them you'd kill them ... you know, never mind, my news feeds on my FB wall show me daily that many parents would gladly kill their children over something like eating a cupcake.


Satan's not in that story.


LOL, according to the teachers. Jesus rejected Jewish teachers, did he not? So he was rejecting God?

One thing that never ceases to make me laugh is how in Christianity what is good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

The angel being who spoke through the serpent is the one who came to be called-satan and devil--So YES he was there.

Those Jewish teachers were apostocised, They were not Gods at that point--Roman rule over them proved that. None could stand against Israel when they had Gods favor.

Few know what Christian actually is--They throw labels around just because someone claims to be something.

 

[kjw47]

Nice spin.

No spin, its what the bible teaches.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

The angel being who spoke through the serpent is the one who came to be called-satan and devil--So YES he was there.

No. A serpent talked. There is no angel puppeteer. The NT either used a noncanon scripture/story or they just made it up.

Those Jewish teachers were apostocised, They were not Gods at that point--Roman rule over them proved that.

If God can lose His people to multiple empires over the millennia, maybe Hebrews/Jews needed a new God. This One seemed to be defective.

The Real Good Shepherd: There was a shepherd whose flock was surrounded by hungry wolves. He was all like, "Y'all ain't never listening to me anyway, 'cause you don't understand English" and turned his back on them and they were all eaten up. The shepherd then patted himself on the back.

 

[JoshuaTree]

No. A serpent talked. There is no angel puppeteer. The NT either used a noncanon scripture/story or they just made it up.

Kinda odd the guy who penned the talking snake would later pen he could change his stick into a snake and back again.

 

[kjw47]

No. A serpent talked. There is no angel puppeteer. The NT either used a noncanon scripture/story or they just made it up.

Actually the book of revelations calls satan--the original serpent. Rev 12:9,20:2) satan is the dragon.

If God can lose His people to multiple empires over the millennia, maybe Hebrews/Jews needed a new God. This One seemed to be defective.

The Real Good Shepherd: There was a shepherd whose flock was surrounded by hungry wolves. He was all like, "Y'all ain't never listening to me anyway, 'cause you don't understand English" and turned his back on them and they were all eaten up. The shepherd then patted himself on the back.

It was mortals fault, not Gods fault that they fell over and over. When one leaves God, God leaves them to the consequences.

 

[2ndpillar]

It was mortals fault, not Gods fault that they fell over and over. When one leaves God, God leaves them to the consequences.

The “LORD” did not leave Judah and Israel, he made sure they were “crushed in judgment” until “they acknowledge their guilt and seek my face”…..”He will revive us after two days/2000 years” (Hosea 5:9 – Hosea 6:3). On the other hand, “I will destroy completely all the nations where I have scattered you” (Jeremiah 30:11). With North Korea, and Iran threatening the World with their new ballistic missiles, it looks like the sky is about to fall (Matthew 24:29), and the “nations” will take the brunt.

 

[kjw47]

The “LORD” did not leave Judah and Israel, he made sure they were “crushed in judgment” until “they acknowledge their guilt and seek my face”…..”He will revive us after two days/2000 years” (Hosea 5:9 – Hosea 6:3). On the other hand, “I will destroy completely all the nations where I have scattered you” (Jeremiah 30:11). With North Korea, and Iran threatening the World with their new ballistic missiles, it looks like the sky is about to fall (Matthew 24:29), and the “nations” will take the brunt.

He left them here--Matt 23:37-39-- it is they outright refuse to do verse 39. God has so much love he left the door open to them even though they sent Jesus to his death. Its their fault.

 

[2ndpillar]

He left them here--Matt 23:37-39-- it is they outright refuse to do verse 39. God has so much love he left the door open to them even though they sent Jesus to his death. Its their fault.

O KJ, O KJ, “who kills the prophets and stone those who are sent her!”(Matthew 23:37) Why let me tell you, it was the Pharisee of Pharisees, Paul, who stoned those who were sent to her. And who is held responsible for their blood. Why, that is those who claim a relationship with him (Matthew 23:29-31). Oh no, does that mean KJ is also held responsible? Yikes, run for the hills KJ, maybe you can outrun the LORD.

According to Hosea 6:2, “He will revive us (Israel & Judah) after two days”. The same can’t be said for the nations who “I will completely destroy” (Jeremiah 30:11).

 

[Muffled]

Well, there you go, perpetuating the "big lie", the "covenant with death” whereas the “overwhelming scourge”will pass you by, but in fact it will apparently choose you to make its bed with. (Isaiah 28:18-19). “Everyone will die for their own iniquity” including “muffled” (Jeremiah 31:30), despite calling out,“Lord , Lord”(Romans 10:13), and believing every word that comes out of Paul’s mouth. Your “pact with Sheol shall not stand” (Isaiah 28:18). The calling on the “LORD” (Joel 2:32) & (Romans 10:13), is with respect to the LORD thy God, which is not the “son of man” who is simply “Lord”. Those who “survive” the “awesome day of the LORD” (Joel 2:31) is with respect to those “on Mount Zion”, and “in Jerusalem”.

If one does not “seek” ”His kingdom” and “His righteous” now (Matthew 6:33), tomorrow might just be too late to do so. “Seek the LORD while he may be found”. As for the “kingdom of God”, with respect to the millennium, which is different than the kingdom of heaven, which is “at hand” (Matthew 4:17), those with the “mark of the beast” will remain in their graves (Revelation 20:4) for a millennium.

Those who “dwell on the earth” will be deceived by the “beast with two horns like a lamb” and take on the mark of the beast, and that because they were not written in the “book of life” from the “foundation of the world” (Revelation 13:8). Paul’s “broad” “way” to “destruction” . The false gospel of the cross, is just a means to get the “many” onto that path of “destruction”. The “kingdom of heaven” is about “justice” and “righteousness”(Isaiah 28:18), and is not based on the unmerited favor of God (Zechariah 11:10). You will not escape death, which is the message of the "serpent" and Paul (1 Thessalonians 4:17). There will be no cloud sitters. The righteous, the dead raised from the grave, will rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years (Revelation 20:4) & (Ezekiel 37:15-27).

As for Paul being the son of God, I direct you to Romans 7:25, whereas he sins, and thanks God for the pleasure. According to 1 John 3:8, the one who practices sin is of the devil.

I believe Paul never practiced sin and neither do I else no-one would be saved if it were just a matter of committing a sin.

I believe I am speaking the truth as Jesus instructs me but you are deceived in your own mind.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Kinda odd the guy who penned the talking snake would later pen he could change his stick into a snake and back again

Moses didn't write it. Keep going. I'm sure you'll hit the target eventually.

kjw47: Actually the book of revelations calls satan--the original serpent. Rev 12:9,20:2) satan is the dragon.

I don't care what some tripped out revenge porn said. The claim is not true, at least for the canon version of Genesis we have. We call lots of people "Satan" now, but we don't mean it literally (for the most part).

It was mortals fault, not Gods fault that they fell over and over.

If God makes a tripod with only one leg, and it falls over and over, YES, it IS His fault.

 

[kjw47]

O KJ, O KJ, “who kills the prophets and stone those who are sent her!”(Matthew 23:37) Why let me tell you, it was the Pharisee of Pharisees, Paul, who stoned those who were sent to her. And who is held responsible for their blood. Why, that is those who claim a relationship with him (Matthew 23:29-31). Oh no, does that mean KJ is also held responsible? Yikes, run for the hills KJ, maybe you can outrun the LORD.

According to Hosea 6:2, “He will revive us (Israel & Judah) after two days”. The same can’t be said for the nations who “I will completely destroy” (Jeremiah 30:11).

Paul repented and accepted Jesus--Israel outright refuses.

 

[kjw47]

Moses didn't write it. Keep going. I'm sure you'll hit the target eventually.


I don't care what some tripped out revenge porn said. The claim is not true, at least for the canon version of Genesis we have. We call lots of people "Satan" now, but we don't mean it literally (for the most part).


If God makes a tripod with only one leg, and it falls over and over, YES, it IS His fault.

God didnt make a tripod with 1 leg. He made mortals with free will. they choose wrong--they must fit in.

 

[2ndpillar]

I believe Paul never practiced sin and neither do I else no-one would be saved if it were just a matter of committing a sin.

I believe I am speaking the truth as Jesus instructs me but you are deceived in your own mind.

Your reading comprehension level seems to be set on low. (1 Timothy 1:15)

As for you “practicing sin”, that would be transgression of the Law, which Paul has supposedly released you from (Romans 7:6). Unfortunately for you, Paul only was given the role in Zechariah 11:10, which is with respect “to break my covenant which I had made with all the peoples/nations/Gentiles”, which would be with respect to the “flock doomed to slaughter” (Zechariah 11:4-7), and concerns circumcision, the covenant given to Abraham, whose name means father of nations/peoples/Gentiles.


As for you being saved, get real. “Everyone will die for his own iniquity” (Jeremiah 31:30). The best you can hope for is the “escape” from the “daughter of Babylon”, and “survive” the “awesome day of the LORD” (Joel 2:31-32). Your “teacher” is Paul, and the “teachers” he has assigned for you, which is in direct violation of the testimony of Yeshua (Matthew 23:8-10).


New American Standard Bible 1 Timothy 1:15
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.

 

[2ndpillar]

Paul repented and accepted Jesus--Israel outright refuses.

As for Paul accepting “Jesus” as “Lord”, kind of follows him killing and stoning the messengers of God, for whom those will be held responsible for the “blood shed on earth”(Matthew 23:35). Unfortunately, the demons also accept “Jesus” as “Lord”, and yet they are also looking at a grim future along with the rest of Paul’s minions who possess the “mark of the beast”(Revelation 14:9-10). According to Revelation 20:10, the “false prophet”, the “beast” and the “devil” will all be held responsible for their actions.

Maybe you should be the one who should repent of following the "false prophet", Paul, and the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:16-17)/ Peter, who was called "Satan" and "stumbling block", (Matthew 16:23) by Yeshua.

 

[kjw47]

As for Paul accepting “Jesus” as “Lord”, kind of follows him killing and stoning the messengers of God, for whom those will be held responsible for the “blood shed on earth”(Matthew 23:35). Unfortunately, the demons also accept “Jesus” as “Lord”, and yet they are also looking at a grim future along with the rest of Paul’s minions who possess the “mark of the beast”(Revelation 14:9-10). According to Revelation 20:10, the “false prophet”, the “beast” and the “devil” will all be held responsible for their actions.

Maybe you should be the one who should repent of following the "false prophet", Paul, and the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:16-17)/ Peter, who was called "Satan" and "stumbling block", (Matthew 16:23) by Yeshua.

Paul is in harmony with Jesus. Jesus appointed Paul--Luke 10:16)-- Those that reject , Jesus real teachers are rejecting Jesus and God as well, or vica versa.
Peter stood strong when he saw the risen Jesus.
Paul went through-He-l in service to Jesus. Carrying on the work Jesus began( Luke 10) Acts 20:20-)- the preaching of the good news of Gods kingdom and king. House to house. city to city.

 

[JoshuaTree]

Moses didn't write it. Keep going. I'm sure you'll hit the target eventually.

God?

 

[JoshuaTree]

God?

If not Moses and if not God then who? Pagans?

 

[2ndpillar]

Paul is in harmony with Jesus. Jesus appointed Paul--Luke 10:16)-- Those that reject , Jesus real teachers are rejecting Jesus and God as well, or vica versa.
Peter stood strong when he saw the risen Jesus.
Paul went through-He-l in service to Jesus. Carrying on the work Jesus began( Luke 10) Acts 20:20-)- the preaching of the good news of Gods kingdom and king. House to house. city to city.

Paul’s message of the gospel of grace (unmerited favor of God), is antithetical to the gospel of the kingdom, which is based on justice and righteousness. As for Paul, going from city to city, it is as Yeshua said, the Pharisees will travel on sea and land to make their converts greater sons of hell than themselves. And here we can look back, and see no truer words were spoken. And Peter was the “worthless shepherd” of Zechariah 11:16-17, and his heir, the pope, still does not care , tend, or care for the sheep. (Zechariah 11:16). According to the false prophet Paul, Peter was a hypocrite after “he saw the risen Jesus”. And maybe you can explain that message of the “kingdom”?

New American Standard Bible (Matthew 23:15)
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

 

[dfnj]

I believe God certainly did and does want all to have eternal life, yet an eternal life based on goodness and in a relationship of trust of His love...not self-willed sin. It is this sin and willfulness which was cast out of the garden so that the consequences and suffering of sin will end in death rather than go on for eternity.

Why does it matter to God if we "trust of His love." God is omnipotent. It makes no difference to God how we live our earthly lives. I think our omnipotent God knew exactly what was going to happen to the apple in the garden with a naked woman prancing about.

If God were really interested in judging our character He would give us all omnipotent powers. It's only when we are capable of creating our own choices do we truly have free-will. Making choices only based on what life presents us is not free-will.

Regardless, I think what is most interesting about your post is the idea of "self-willed sin" and "sin and willfulness". It just seems to me Christianity is a religion of slavery where obeying the Lord and Authority is it's primary aim and purpose. Christianity is King James government propaganda supporting government by monarchy. You can't have a Lord without Slaves. Obeying authority is the most important teaching of the Bible. The Bible has much less to do with morality, living a moral live, treating others with respect (other than the Lord monarch in charge).

I think the Big Lie is the idea that sin matters to God. God seems mostly indifferent as far as I can tell. The laws of physics and nature are relentless in their indifference to people's superstitions. There is just so much unnecessary evil in the World that it seems based on human experiments God is indifferent to our choices above all other considerations. You don't hear God barking out orders policing morality from the clouds. At least I've never heard him.

I think the whole invention of sin was created by the forces of monarchy to control the weak minded slaves.

An egalitarian religion based on God's love would be completely different than what is presented in the Bible. A God of unconditional love with infinite powers would not hold back any blessings from his beloved creations including the afterlife. People who lack faith in God's love believe in eternal damnation and Paul's crazy superstitions.

 

[kjw47]

Paul’s message of the gospel of grace (unmerited favor of God), is antithetical to the gospel of the kingdom, which is based on justice and righteousness. As for Paul, going from city to city, it is as Yeshua said, the Pharisees will travel on sea and land to make their converts greater sons of hell than themselves. And here we can look back, and see no truer words were spoken. And Peter was the “worthless shepherd” of Zechariah 11:16-17, and his heir, the pope, still does not care , tend, or care for the sheep. (Zechariah 11:16). According to the false prophet Paul, Peter was a hypocrite after “he saw the risen Jesus”. And maybe you can explain that message of the “kingdom”?

New American Standard Bible (Matthew 23:15)
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

You need to get out of your illusion. The religion that came out of Rome-- Was and is NOT the religion Jesus began. Not one single branch( 33,999) off her fixed it
Your twisting what is said in the bible.