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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Riders, Mar 21, 2021.

  1. danieldemol

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    I can't really speak for those who dont believe in God, but I imagine they don't blame God
     
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    It was "what makes you think God doing ____ is historical" with an added jab at your God concept for its alleged killing of innocent babies.
     
  3. Harel13

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    *Giant yawn*
    *Snores, goes back to sleep*
    Page me when you have a real argument, not one that's been chewed a bajillion times over.
     
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    And meanwhile you have some Jews scratching their heads in confusion.
     
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    You were looking for something new? That’s what I have, Jesus is the Passover Lamb and hope your eyes are opened to that fact when you participate in the meal this year. We will be celebrating the new covenant in Jesus as we celebrate the feast
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    “Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”
    ‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭5:6-8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
     
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    I was hoping you weren't utterly wasting my time with repackaged arguments. Thought you'd bring something spicy to the game. I was sorely mistaken. Thus, bitul Torah. You owe me my time back.

    Also, preaching is not allowed on RF, so I'd back off.

    And lastly, quoting to me from antisemitic works won't help at all.
     
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    What anti Semitic works? You’re mistaken, I’m a Jew now, I was a wild olive branch but thanks to God I’ve been grafted into the natural olive tree. I’m grateful to the Jewish people for preserving the Scriptures.
     
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    The whole NT is antisemitic.
    :tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:
    Hahahahahahahaha

    Utter nonsense.
    Something Christians couldn't do properly. Compare quoted verses in the NT to the originals in Tanach.
     
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    You mean like circumcision, too? Like God is concerned about that being done on the 8th day, having that strict ritual yet you walk around with an uncircumcised heart who is far from God.
     
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    Do I mean that circumcision is antisemitic? No, I did not mean that. Why would you think that?
     
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    Utter nonsense, how so? Fact is I know the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, my conscience is clear, I’m a Gentile believer who has access to the Holy of Holies and can go in myself and worship in the presence of God all day long, every day of the year and enjoy fellowship with God.
     
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    I thought you said you were a Jew. Is this some sort of identity crisis?
     
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    The New Testament isn’t anti Semitic, the pagan festivals that replaced the feast are and things like that are, as well as the false teachings like replacement theology etc.
     
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    “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”
    ‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:28-29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
     
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    Keep tell yourself that.

    Meanwhile, try chewing on this:

    Matthew 23:1-7:

    Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.​

    “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.​

    Matthew 23:13-38:

    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

    “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

    “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

    “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate.
    Also, the author of Matthew shows he is illiterate in scriptures because he's claiming that the prophet killed was Zechariah ben Berachiah, when it was, in fact, Zechariah ben Yehoyadah. So both evil and illiterate. Not a great look for Christians.

    Matthew 27:25:

    All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!”
    Revelations 2:9:

    I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
    Revelations 3:9:

    I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars
    John 7:1:

    After this, Jesus went around in Galilee. He did not want to go about in Judea because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him.​

    John 7:12-13:

    So the Jewish leaders were looking for him at the feast, asking, “Where is he?” There was a lot of grumbling about him among the crowds. Some were saying, “He is a good man,” but others, “He deceives the common people.” However, no one spoke openly about him for fear of the Jewish leaders.​

    John 7:45-52:

    Then the officers returned to the chief priests and Pharisees, who said to them, “Why didn’t you bring him back with you?” The officers replied, “No one ever spoke like this man!” Then the Pharisees answered, “You haven’t been deceived too, have you? None of the members of the ruling council or the Pharisees have believed in him, have they? But this rabble who do not know the law are accursed!”

    Nicodemus, who had gone to Jesus before and who was one of the rulers, said, “Our law doesn’t condemn a man unless it first hears from him and learns what he is doing, does it?” They replied, “You aren’t from Galilee too, are you? Investigate carefully and you will see that no prophet comes from Galilee!”​

    John 8:39-59:

    They answered him, “Abraham is our father!” Jesus replied, “If you are Abraham’s children, you would be doing the deeds of Abraham. But now you are trying to kill me, a man who has told you the truth I heard from God. Abraham did not do this! You people are doing the deeds of your father.”

    Then they said to Jesus, “We were not born as a result of immorality! We have only one Father, God himself.” Jesus replied, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come from God and am now here. I have not come on my own initiative, but he sent me. Why don’t you understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot accept my teaching. You people are from your father the devil, and you want to do what your father desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I am telling you the truth, you do not believe me. Who among you can prove me guilty of any sin? If I am telling you the truth, why don’t you believe me? The one who belongs to God listens and responds to God’s words. You don’t listen and respond, because you don’t belong to God.”

    The Judeans replied, “Aren’t we correct in saying that you are a Samaritan and are possessed by a demon?” Jesus answered, “I am not possessed by a demon, but I honor my Father—and yet you dishonor me. I am not trying to get praise for myself. There is one who demands it, and he also judges. I tell you the solemn truth, if anyone obeys my teaching, he will never see death.”

    Then the Judeans responded, “Now we know you’re possessed by a demon! Both Abraham and the prophets died, and yet you say, ‘If anyone obeys my teaching, he will never experience death.’ You aren’t greater than our father Abraham who died, are you? And the prophets died too! Who do you claim to be?” Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory is worthless. The one who glorifies me is my Father, about whom you people say, ‘He is our God.’ Yet you do not know him, but I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you. But I do know him, and I obey his teaching. Your father Abraham was overjoyed to see my day, and he saw it and was glad.”

    Then the Judeans replied, “You are not yet fifty years old! Have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “I tell you the solemn truth, before Abraham came into existence, I am!” Then they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus was hidden from them and went out from the temple area.
    I can go on, if you want.
     
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    Christianity is also pagan. You've just shot yourself in the leg.
     
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    Like I said, quoting to me antisemitic works won't help your case. It'll just worsen it.

    I highly recommend taking all of your anti-Jewish theology, and take a huge step backwards. Having done that, take another one. Repeat exactly one million times. Having done so, repeat that until you've fallen out of the atmosphere, because thanks to Christians, people worldwide believe that Isaiah thought the earth was flat.
     
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    It's like you've never heard of Noachidism. It's as though most Christians just think until their guy came along, G-d just never cared about non-Jews. Despite books like Iyov, Bereschit, Rut and Yonah, this belief persists.
     
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    Also Ovadiah.
     
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    So your added jab is meaningless if the babies are guilty. Do you have evidence that they were innocent?
     
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