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Featured WHat is Passover?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Riders, Mar 21, 2021.

  1. Riders

    Riders Well-Known Member

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    Is it Jewish or Christian or both?
     
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    It is Jewish.

    It has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity.
     
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    It's Jewish, commemorating when the Angel of Death passed over the houses of the Isrealites in Egypt, not killing their firstborn as they did to the Egyptians.
     
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    It is a God commandment given to the Jewish nation (although Abel also sacrificed a lamb). Christians see Jesus Christ as the fulfillment of the passover for all of the last days of Jesus matched the process of the passover. He is our Lamb of God.

    Just as Egypt was delivered from slavery, we were delivered from the slavery of sin. Just as they entered into the promised land, we also have our promised lamb. Just as the angel of death passed over the Jewish believers and were not harmed, he who has the power of death, Satan, passes over us and cannot touch us

    And many other similarities

    So we both celebrate our passovers.
     
  6. Riders

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    There are Christian Jewish services that I imagine celebrate the Jewish way or closer to the Jewish way.
     
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    the Carpenter usurped the ceremony

    Now do this.....in remembrance of Me

    not very Jewish
     
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  8. Kenny

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    Yes. There are those that celebrate all the Jewish holy days along with the seder
     
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    It is Jewish in the sense that those Jews who believed God and put the blood of the sacrificed lamb on their door posts were passed over by the angel of death who came to kill the firstborn in every home all over Egypt at the time of the Exodus. (Exodus 12:7)
    The Jews were saved from slavery and started their journey to the promised land.
    This happening and Jewish feast (along with the other Jewish feasts) pointed forward to a time when God would send the Messiah to be the Passover lamb to save the Jews from slavery to sin and death and to lead them to another promised land.
     
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    From a Jewish point of view, these are most bizarre things to say.

    Exodus 12:14 And this day shall be for you as a memorial, and you shall celebrate it as a festival for the Lord; throughout your generations, you shall celebrate it as an everlasting statute.

    It doesn't point forward. It points backwards. "as a memorial".
    The passover doesn't get "fulfilled". It's everlasting. Forever.
     
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    Yes it would be a bizarre thing to say from a Jewish perspective.
    A better way to have said it may have been that from a Christian perspective the Passover had been put in place by God so that when looking back from the time of Jesus death, it could be seen as a representation of what the Messiah would do as the sacrifice that began the New Covenant and saves the Jews and everyone who puts faith in it.
     
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    What is Passover?

    Is it related to the "Everlasting Covenant" or not, please?
    If it is a feast then is it to be celebrated publicly, please?
    I understand that Catholics distribute in the Church small loaves of bread publicly and the priest takes a sip from a bottle, has it to do something with this feast, please?
    While the LDS don't do it publicly, when they finish the Sunday public Service and go for it not publicly, please?
    And how do the JWs celebrate it, and if not why not, please?
    I am an Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim asking just for information, please.
    Right?

    Regards
     
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    It is a word in English. It "belongs" to whoever wants to use that word.

    The holiday behind it is a Jewish holiday when it is known as Pesach. It is governed by many, many rules, laws and rituals.

    This Jewish holiday, commemorating an historical event in Jewish history plays part in the histories of other cultures who have then adopted the idea of the holiday (as a calenderical marker or as, secondarily, a new "event") and some have even seen fit to retroactively re-read the original Jewish event, saying that it is tied directly to the later understanding. The holiday, in its practice, though, remains a Jewish holiday, driven by all of the jewish laws surrounding it.
     
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  14. Kenny

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    Yes, it is a memorial (as it is with us). We also celebrate it as an everlasting statute.

    We know that God is eternal where He declares the end from the beginning and His wisdom is unsearchable. For Him, time is irrelevant and, IMV, has all time in the "now". When God said to Abraham, "All the land that you see... it is yours" (paraphrased) - it was a done deal even if it wasn't fulfilled until Joshua physically took it.

    Since in our understanding when God declares something it is already done, when YHWH said "He shall bruise his heel" - from that moment the Lamb was already sacrificed and pointed to what was to come even as it reminds us of the memorial.
     
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    Odd, considering the Passover lamb isn't an atonement sacrifice. Oh well, god must've made a mistake.
     
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    Nope. Not better. Still bizarre.
     
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    I think it is both, because by what the Bible tells, “Christians” should also be Jews.
     
  18. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Passover is the remembrance of when God delivered the Jews from slavery in Egypt with a mighty hand. Did the ancestors of Christians have this experience?

    However, it seems that of late everyone and their uncle is celebrating Passover. It appears that it is bursting out of Judaism and becoming a culture wide celebrations. Various groups do it for various different reasons. Christians do it to remember Jesus doing it, and instigating communion at it. Blacks to it to remember their own history of slavery. You get the idea. Personally I have no problems with this, although it feels awkward to me.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    If you are going to be a Jew, you need to go to the Jews and convert. It takes a long time of study, a testing before a Jewish court, and a dip in a mikvah (ritual immersion). Any previous religious affiliations would need to be denied as you take on the covenant of Israel.

    You can't just show up on our doorstep and say you are part of Israel. To be adopted requires consent on our part.
     
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    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    Aren't there Jews who are not religious, never go to synagogue or engage in any rituals?
     
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