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What is nonbinary?

We Never Know

No Slack
If they experience their gender as neither man nor woman... What do they experience it as? What else is there?

"Some people who are nonbinary experience their gender as both man and woman, and others experience their gender as neither man nor woman."
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
A person with an identity crisis and or trying to be hip with the latest in thing.

It's idiotic nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

From the link in the OP:

Although being nonbinary is often regarded as a new phenomenon, history tells us that nonbinary identities have existed for many centuries. In fact, nonbinary gender has been recorded as far back as 400 B.C. to 200 A.D., when Hijras were referenced in ancient Hindu texts. Hijras are considered a “third gender” community of people who don’t identify exclusively as man or woman.

I think it's much more reasonable to try to understand the unfamiliar instead of denigrating or denying it offhand. There's a lot of scientific evidence that gender is a spectrum that is not confined to a strict binary of male and female.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
If they experience their gender as neither man nor woman... What do they experience it as? What else is there?

"Some people who are nonbinary experience their gender as both man and woman, and others experience their gender as neither man nor woman."

Generally, cisgendered people usually feel their gender identity is consistent with one set of expressions and are comfortable with fully identifying as male or female. On the other hand, the identity of non-binary people, as the name implies, doesn't always fit into a strict gender binary. Their gender expression and identity could be a combination of elements across the gender spectrum rather than neatly fitting into the male or female label.

This is very summarized, and I'm sure any of the non-binary members of RF could give you a more detailed answer based on their own experiences. This link might be a helpful resource here, though:

Someone who is non-binary does not identify as exclusively male or female. They may identify as both, neither, or some combination of the two. For example, someone who identifies as non-binary may feel more masculine on some days and more feminine on other days. Their gender expression, the way they present themselves (including clothing choices), may fluctuate – or they may choose to dress more androgynously.

 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Generally, cisgendered people usually feel their gender identity is consistent with one set of expressions and are comfortable with fully identifying as male or female. On the other hand, the identity of non-binary people, as the name implies, doesn't always fit into a strict gender binary. Their gender expression and identity could be a combination of elements across the gender spectrum rather than neatly fitting into the male or female label.

This is very summarized, and I'm sure any of the non-binary members of RF could give you a more detailed answer based on their own experiences. This link might be a helpful resource here, though:



When somebody identifies as male, female, or non-binary this way; isn’t that identification based on their own personal biases and subjective stereotypes they have for males and females?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Generally, cisgendered people usually feel their gender identity is consistent with one set of expressions and are comfortable with fully identifying as male or female. On the other hand, the identity of non-binary people, as the name implies, doesn't always fit into a strict gender binary. Their gender expression and identity could be a combination of elements across the gender spectrum rather than neatly fitting into the male or female label.

This is very summarized, and I'm sure any of the non-binary members of RF could give you a more detailed answer based on their own experiences. This link might be a helpful resource here, though:




"across the gender spectrum"

What is the gender spectrum?
 

Madmogwai

Madmogwai
If they experience their gender as neither man nor woman... What do they experience it as? What else is there?

"Some people who are nonbinary experience their gender as both man and woman, and others experience their gender as neither man nor woman."
It is a mental condition
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It is a mental condition
Do you mean it is a mental illness? Someone who isn't either a manly man, or a girly girl, is mentally ill according to you? So men who have feminine qualities, or women with masculine qualities are dysfunctional? They should either be Kens or Barbies, and the world will be right?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Do you mean it is a mental illness? Someone who isn't either a manly man, or a girly girl, is mentally ill according to you? So men who have feminine qualities, or women with masculine qualities are dysfunctional? They should either be Kens or Barbies, and the world will be right?
Do you think that everyone who isn't a Ken or Barbie doll is non-binary? Because we're all non-binary at that point. Actually, that's a criticism of the concept that has been made many times - that it essentially tends to reify gender roles. I've seen multiple examples of effeminate gay men calling themselves non-binary when they're just gay men, like Sam Smith and Jonathan from the new Queer Eye series, as if typical gay mannerisms all of a sudden mean you're not a man now.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
When somebody identifies as male, female, or non-binary this way; isn’t that identification based on their own personal biases and subjective stereotypes they have for males and females?

I can't speak about everyone who identifies as such, but in general, ideas of what constitutes male and female genders vary a lot by culture. In that sense, someone's views on what constitutes being "male" or "female" can include cultural stereotypes or biases.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
"across the gender spectrum"

What is the gender spectrum?

In modern science, gender is not viewed as a binary of male and female but rather as a continuum where people may be closer to either gender without necessarily identifying with it

The Gender Spectrum

A ‘Gender Spectrum’ represents a more nuanced model where gender exists beyond a simple male/female binary model but instead exists on a continuum that can move more fluidly between masculine and feminine allowing people to identify with a more authentic model of their gender.


So, for example, someone might have traits that are typically associated with being male as well as ones typically associated with being female, but that person may not identify as either. Similarly, some people who comfortably identify as male or female also have traits typically associated with the other gender.
 

Madmogwai

Madmogwai
I don't care what traits someone has, a man with Femanine traits is still a man.
A duck once grew up with a pack of Dogs, the Duck thought he was a Dog.
Was he a Dog, no he was just completely ignorant.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
I don't care what traits someone has, a man with Femanine traits is still a man.
What's a "man" and what are "feminine traits"?

A duck once grew up with a pack of Dogs, the Duck thought he was a Dog.
Was he a Dog, no he was just completely ignorant.
Except duck and dog are species. Gender is a social concept. It's a label we apply to people and to ourselves based on a set of subjectively defined criteria that have changed throughout history.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
If they experience their gender as neither man nor woman... What do they experience it as? What else is there?

"Some people who are nonbinary experience their gender as both man and woman, and others experience their gender as neither man nor woman."
Did you read the article you linked to? What did you take from it?
 

Madmogwai

Madmogwai
What's a "man" and what are "feminine traits"?


Except duck and dog are species. Gender is a social concept. It's a label we apply to people and to ourselves based on a set of subjectively defined criteria that have changed throughout history.
As I said the traits are irrelevant, regardless of the traits a man is still a man regardless of his delusions.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
What's a "man" and what are "feminine traits"?
I am curious what your answers are to those questions.
Except duck and dog are species. Gender is a social concept. It's a label we apply to people and to ourselves based on a set of subjectively defined criteria that have changed throughout history.
Do you believe a “tomboy” female is actually a male?
 
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