I have learned that people will believe anything they want to believe if that gullibility massages their own ego
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What is Hell?
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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I have learned that people will believe anything they want to believe if that gullibility massages their own ego
Calm said : "Making sins is what everyone does. If someone commits only one sin in his life, he is guilty and will go to hell. No one can keep the law, he who breaks only one commandment is guilty in all things. In order to save themselves from hell, people at that time (before Jesus' sacrifice) had to offer animal sacrifices to cleanse their guilt. But then Jesus came and sacrificed Himself, and since He was executed sinlessly, we humans can be cleansed by His blood. He who believes in his sacrifice is saved. That is why we human beings today no longer need animal sacrifices.
So if you do not believe that Jesus was executed to redeem you, then you will go to eternal hell. But what you also have to do is to collect good works, because just as the body is dead without spirit, so faith is dead without works." (Post #31)
Calm said : "Only those who believe in Jesus will be saved." (Post #36)
Calm, if only those who believe in Jesus are saved then what mechanism is there for people to be saved for individuals who never heard of Jesus (i.e. they live in a time or place where Jesus is unknown)?
Clear
φυφυτζω
So if you do not believe that Jesus was executed to redeem you, then you will go to eternal hell. But what you also have to do is to collect good works, because just as the body is dead without spirit, so faith is dead without works." (Post #31)
Calm said : "Only those who believe in Jesus will be saved." (Post #36)
Calm, if only those who believe in Jesus are saved then what mechanism is there for people to be saved for individuals who never heard of Jesus (i.e. they live in a time or place where Jesus is unknown)?
Clear
φυφυτζω
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Not many have a hell, but I think people in Bible days thought the earth was flat and the universe was three tiered. Heaven was in the sky and hell was below the earth.
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The last.
Hell is a threat, one used by the unscrupulous to gull the credulous.
David J
Member
It's undefined.
No prophet or writing ever bothered to strictly do so.
All this bull**** does is generate anxiety. See Pascal's Wager.
susanblange
Active Member
I am not calling you a liar personally. I thought the verse is self explanatory. It actually applies to all three Abrahamic faiths. All three faiths, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam believe you have to be a member of their religion to go to Heaven. And all non members will go to Hell. Actually, righteousness is the only way into Heaven and right now it doesn't matter what you religious beliefs are. The God of Abraham is here and it's only at the end that salvation will come down to belief. The end is the execution and death of the Messiah by Christians. It is called the "valley of decision". Joel 3.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Hell would be the absence of love. Heaven would be the fulfillment of love. Love is loyal.
Hell is a circumstance where a person is helpless and in pain beyond able bearing.
There are hells in this life. Certainly ones to avoid. War is hell. Disease is hell. Disability is a type of hell that can be dealt with.
For many, ceasing to exist is hell. For others it is relief and a source of peace.
Those who know true love know that it is heaven. Those who lie, cheat, steal and worse without cause do not know love. People can change though.
Sometimes there is pain in love. Funerals are a type of hell.
But perspective is important. With the right perspective, which is unique to the individual, you can end up being grateful for life, and not sorrowful at its end. I mean ceasing to exist is not joyful. There is loss there. But there is peace there too.
Depending on who you are ,ceasing to exist could be a hell. And for many it is.
Personally ceasing to exist is not fearful, its dissappointing. I hate it. And i am not totally convinced its real.
Its hard to love in a world where so many people do not give a damn about it. That is a hell. Love is a word that means different things to different people, or nothing at all.
Other people do cause hells.
Hell is a circumstance where a person is helpless and in pain beyond able bearing.
There are hells in this life. Certainly ones to avoid. War is hell. Disease is hell. Disability is a type of hell that can be dealt with.
For many, ceasing to exist is hell. For others it is relief and a source of peace.
Those who know true love know that it is heaven. Those who lie, cheat, steal and worse without cause do not know love. People can change though.
Sometimes there is pain in love. Funerals are a type of hell.
But perspective is important. With the right perspective, which is unique to the individual, you can end up being grateful for life, and not sorrowful at its end. I mean ceasing to exist is not joyful. There is loss there. But there is peace there too.
Depending on who you are ,ceasing to exist could be a hell. And for many it is.
Personally ceasing to exist is not fearful, its dissappointing. I hate it. And i am not totally convinced its real.
Its hard to love in a world where so many people do not give a damn about it. That is a hell. Love is a word that means different things to different people, or nothing at all.
Other people do cause hells.
Dell
Asteroid insurance?
On earth.. different dimension.. constant suffering... Sounds like my marriage...