What flaw is there in that the dead are in a sleep-like state as mentioned at John 11:11-14; Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17 Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Ecclesiastes 9:5,10.
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What is Hell?
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What flaw is there in that the dead are in a sleep-like state as mentioned at John 11:11-14; Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17 Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Ecclesiastes 9:5,10.
Hell may be the nature of a man if you are Not talking about biblical hell.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
So the nature of man is unholy, and must be avoided? What a pessimistic outlook...
People don't choose to be evil. They discover certain destructive impulses in themselves, some of which they can control more than not, some of which they indulge earlier in like but which wane with time, and some that control them if the impulse is too intense and/or persistent for the defenses to fence in.
What reason is there to believe that?
Incidentally, I'm told the same thing about my present life, which is also one of separation from this god. I'm told that I have no reason not to kill and steal except possibly the consequences if caught, that there is no reason to feel purpose in life, that there is no meaning to a life that will end and eventually be forgotten, and that I am missing out on being filled by the Spirit - in other words, an empty life because of its godlessness.
But it sure feels like a good life, and I would be content living it in a godless afterlife as well.
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If circular thinking is and interpretation to suit your sensibilities is how you justify your faith to yourself that's just fine.
The dead are dead. I really do think I'll take the word of thousands of years of human, medical and scientific experience rather than a single god book based on bronze age mythology.
MonkeyFire
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A man.
MonkeyFire
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Why so? Hell is a nature but the devil is more of a title than Hate, or no-love is its nature.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Which man, then?
They describe different gods with with different personalities, covenants, and commandments.
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You're just supporting the choice to disregard it all.
What value is the Bible if everybody who reads it comes up with a different theology?
Why wouldn't we? Godlessness has worked well thus far.
These promises are made by men allegedly speaking for a god, and are promises that don't need to be kept, and when broken, aren't reported by the dead.
I missed that scripture.
This sure seems like you improvising like the writers of the Bible
Thanks for the clarification. I had been a little confused.
I think I need to more than whisper to my cold-brew coffee to be strong.
To me, by Jesus prefacing his statements with parallel references to the old Hebrew Scriptures is Not circular thinking.
To me, Jesus ' justified his faith ' by his logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures.
I find biblical hell is Not a nature, but simply man's temporary grave until resurrected out of biblical hell.
I can agree that the devil is more of a title.......More of a title because Satan the Devil is Not a personal name.
Satan the Devil has No love in his nature. Satan does Not care if we live or die just so we serve his interests.
Satan was never in hell, but the day righteous Jesus' died that day Jesus went to biblical hell, the grave, according to Acts of the Apostles 2:27
Yes, the Bible says there are many gods. The temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law was only for one ancient nation and that was only ancient Israel. That constitution was temporary leading up to Messiah coming.
That is why the 1st-century people mentioned at Luke 3:15 were at that time in ' expectation ' of Messiah coming.
So, I find putting the whole Bible together leads up to our day or time frame.
Disregard all in what way. The value of coming up with different theology proves the Bible true.
Jesus exposed the false religious leaders of his day according to Matthew 15:9 and Matthew chapter 23.
Jesus gave us a clue between the genuine ' wheat ' Christians and the fake 'weed/tares' Christians in that by their fruits, their behavior, they could be recognized according to Matthew chapter 7.
Cold brew? Usually piping hot espresso macchiato or noisette. The significance is probably lost on you. If i want a cold drink it would be iced water with ice, less than 3C (that's about 37 in your money) is how i like it.
I will have to repeat, Jesus did not say/justify/preface anything. All you have is third hand/after the fact stories to base your faith on.
How you interpret your god book is up to you, but unless you discuss what is actually written then you must remember, its only make believe
Hot espresso yes, but don't care that much for the macchiato, but un-iced 'cold brew' suit me (stronger that way).
I hear the ' cold brew ' can now be made at home.
Now to me the Bible is actually written down and does Not change.
Over the many centuries many enemies from within and without have tried to get rid of the Bible and they can't.
Jesus' recorded words are discussing what was actually written down in the old Hebrew Scriptures.
The soon coming ' time of separation ' as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37 is Not make believe because whatever else of Jesus' recorded words have come to pass, so to me, there is No reason to doubt we will see the coming paradisical earth as promised at Revelation 22:2 that there will be healing for earth's nations.