1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

What is Demonization/Possession

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by The Hammer, May 20, 2022.

  1. The Hammer

    The Hammer Lord of Animals
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2009
    Messages:
    11,948
    Ratings:
    +15,625
    Religion:
    Druid
    Pretty straight forward. A post from another thread has me wondering exactly what this means.

    Anyone?

    @ElishaElijah
     
  2. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2018
    Messages:
    13,015
    Ratings:
    +3,653
    Religion:
    The Wrong One
    That is simple. All other Gods and so on are not really Gods in religions with only one True God and thus in this cases they are aspects of Satan and the Demons, who work for Satan.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Wandering Monk

    Wandering Monk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2019
    Messages:
    4,256
    Ratings:
    +3,559
    Religion:
    agnostic
    It is a Bronze Age explanation for mental disorders. Full stop.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  4. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2018
    Messages:
    13,015
    Ratings:
    +3,653
    Religion:
    The Wrong One
    Also that, but not just that.
     
  5. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2017
    Messages:
    46,091
    Ratings:
    +42,726
    Religion:
    None
    Isn't it just a term to cover mental illness used by those who don't understand mental illness?
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  6. stvdv

    stvdv Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2018
    Messages:
    15,647
    Ratings:
    +9,331
    Religion:
    Sanathana Dharma [The Eternal Religion]
    What is Demonization/Possession

    A stubborn thought impacting ones life
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2018
    Messages:
    13,015
    Ratings:
    +3,653
    Religion:
    The Wrong One
    Not just that. In the modern sense it is also a way to explain behavior in general form Satan and his Demons in a general sense.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2012
    Messages:
    35,414
    Ratings:
    +15,728
    Religion:
    liber-scripta grim Christian
    It can be referring to several different things:
    1. Political ideology. For example it is popular today to survey the population to find out what we are all thinking, what demon possesses us currently.
    2. Illness which acts through invisible contagion: plague or a cold
    3. Madness or other mental illness
    4. The departed ghost of a dead person who somehow influences, talks through a person such as through a medium. They should be dead but they are influencing the living, instead. In many parts of the world there are stories about this happening. Usually they are scary stories.
    5. A song stuck in your head or thought or crush. "I can't sleep, because I'm in love with this girl."
    6. An aspect of your personality. There may have been ancient practitioners of meditation who faced aspects of themselves as if they had identities. I cannot verify this, however I have posted a documentary video about it. Possibly then somebody could say 'Demon' and be talking about their pride or their fear etc.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  9. Nakosis

    Nakosis Time Efficient Lollygagger
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2011
    Messages:
    21,351
    Ratings:
    +11,286
    Religion:
    Scientism
    I suspect an entity created by one's unconscious mind takes over.

    I think the self we experience as being is such a creation too. Normally we experience life as this self. However the self is a minor function of the brain. It is possible that in some folks this self can get swapped out with another. One self not being conscious of the other.

    Like split or multiple personalities, yet this personality being of a demonic nature because of too much exposure to religious idealism.
     
  10. Viker

    Viker Spirit in Black

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2011
    Messages:
    7,246
    Ratings:
    +6,107
    Religion:
    In Diabolica
    A concept contrived to explain away everything from mental illness, allegiance to other gods or even to a difference in opinion.

    Demonization also implies vilification of another.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  11. RayofLight

    RayofLight Pronouns: they/them/their thon/thons/thonself

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2018
    Messages:
    7,692
    Ratings:
    +7,838
    Religion:
    Pagan Witch and Demonolatrist
    Interestingly I have another take on possession. See most think Christianity when it comes to possession. But in some religions folk willingly allow their deities to possess them. It's no different then being filled with the Holy Spirit which in my opinion (and I know Christians will disagree) is a form of possession.

    Like in a particular religion I forgot the name im blanking on it it'll come to me the deities are called orisha. In some cases practitioners of the religion allow the deity to temporarily fill them up in ritual. Basically possess them.

    I've done a practice similar with one deity in particular. Not the same practice as I don't worship the orisha nor am i part of the religion that does(man it's going to drive me nuts trying to remember the name of the religion) But I did a different practice that basically was similar to possession not tho like how christians think of possesion. Again basically it was similar to being filled with the Holy Spirit what I did.
     
    #11 RayofLight, May 20, 2022
    Last edited: May 20, 2022
    • Like Like x 2
  12. KenS

    KenS Face to face with my Father
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2013
    Messages:
    17,026
    Ratings:
    +6,357
    Religion:
    Judeo/Christian
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  13. Viker

    Viker Spirit in Black

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2011
    Messages:
    7,246
    Ratings:
    +6,107
    Religion:
    In Diabolica
    • Like Like x 1
  14. RayofLight

    RayofLight Pronouns: they/them/their thon/thons/thonself

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2018
    Messages:
    7,692
    Ratings:
    +7,838
    Religion:
    Pagan Witch and Demonolatrist
    Ah it's two religions.
    Yoruba and SanterĂ­a. I was thinking of the latter
     
  15. KenS

    KenS Face to face with my Father
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2013
    Messages:
    17,026
    Ratings:
    +6,357
    Religion:
    Judeo/Christian
    Yes, that is the secular explanation except they photographed the appearing teeth marks.
     
  16. Viker

    Viker Spirit in Black

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2011
    Messages:
    7,246
    Ratings:
    +6,107
    Religion:
    In Diabolica
    She bit herself? Not being there myself I can't help but scrutinize.

    *I can't find any photographic evidence of teeth marks.

    1953, May 9-19 (ca.): The Invisible Fangs.
    **'Zaguirre observed a "bite-like" mark on the right side of the nape of Villanueva's neck. Goduco and Zaguirre concluded that instead of being bitten by invisible attackers, Villanueva was actually suffering from a nervous disorder known as a 'hysterical fugue' or 'hysteria psychoneurosis,' and that what was being mistaken for 'bite marks' on her skin were actually "only changes in skin coloring caused by the nervous fits."This mental state, they claimed, was brought on by Villanueva's desperate need to escape from the life she was trapped in.'
     
    #16 Viker, May 20, 2022
    Last edited: May 20, 2022
  17. KenS

    KenS Face to face with my Father
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2013
    Messages:
    17,026
    Ratings:
    +6,357
    Religion:
    Judeo/Christian
    No... you can't bite your neck.

    Yes... there is always those who say "that couldn't have happened". Except that wasn't what was photographed and reported.

    Those are what people who weren't there say.

    Who knows, maybe there are people who say Jesus wasn't raised from the dead too, no matter how many witnesses would say otherwise.
     
  18. Viker

    Viker Spirit in Black

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2011
    Messages:
    7,246
    Ratings:
    +6,107
    Religion:
    In Diabolica
    Personally, I don't believe in unwilling uninvited demonic possession, especially with a disturbed minor. There's just no significant 'hammer on the head' evidence of such.

    People don't believe that I do/can work with the demonic. Others believe I'm in peril for doing so. I have no proof only personal testimony. Eye witness accounts can be mistaken, marked with what one wishes to have seen or completely fabricated (such as book called Michelle Remembers). The best we have is testimony in that regard. It's up for scrutiny and can be critically examined. No one has to believe a thing. They're just going to accept what they will.
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  19. KenS

    KenS Face to face with my Father
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2013
    Messages:
    17,026
    Ratings:
    +6,357
    Religion:
    Judeo/Christian
    I don't think that is the subject matter, only that what is it and, imv, if it exists.

    Whether there can be an demonic possession for a disturbed minor is difficult to know especially since one doesn't know if the person was unwilling or not.

    that being said, there are thing that are just a physical problem and not spiritual.

    Had a friend who had a spiritual guide and never was a problem until he didn't want her any more. He was delivered. (I wasn't involved in the deliverance, his pastor was)
     
Loading...