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What is an angel to you?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Lady Crimson, Aug 22, 2005.

  1. Lady Crimson

    Lady Crimson credo quia absurdum

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    I have lately been very interested in the Elohim (angel) concept....you can find very interesting facts about the angel cult on wikipedia.

    When I was a youngen I saw angels as guardians....they protected us. When I started being interested in mythology I could almost see them as Gods although I never admited that (being born an Orthodox Christian it would have been blasphemie). Lately, angels haven't been part of my life....I only see them as mythological creatures, very interesting, but highly unlickly to be real.

    How do you view the angel concept?
     
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  2. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    I believe that angels are real. I see them as being primarily messengers for the Lord, though they may have others functions as well. As to who or what an angel is, I see them as having a human form (i.e. no wings!) and being much like humans in many other ways. I believe they are beings in various stages of progression. Some are spirit beings only. Others are resurrected persons with flesh and bones. I further believe that the references to Lucifer and his "angels" in Revelation are describing the pre-mortal sons and daughters of God.
     
  3. michel

    michel Administrator Emeritus
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  4. TashaN

    TashaN Veteran Member
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    hi Lady Crimson,

    just before we go on about the angel i would like to share information about ELOHIM which you assumed it means ( angel ) which is not.

    actaully, ELOHIM is releated to the word YHWH.

    Arabs and the Jews have a common origin, going back to Father Abraham so:

    Note the startling resemblance between the languages, very often the same sounding words carry identical meaning in both.

    [font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]HEBREW[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]ARABIC[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]ENGLISH[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Elah[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Ilah[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]god[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Ikhud[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Ahud[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]one[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Yaum [/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Yaum[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]day[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Shaloam[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Salaam[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]peace[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Yahuwa[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Ya Huwa[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]oh he[/font]​


    YHWH or Yehova or Yahuwa all mean the very same thing. "Ya" is a vocative and an exclamatory particle in both Hebrew and Arabic, meaning Oh! And "Huwa" or "Hu" means He, again in both Hebrew and Arabic. Together they mean Oh He! So instead of YHWH ELOHIM, we now have Oh He! ELOHIM.

    The suffix "IM" of the word "ELOHIM" is a plural of respect in Hebrew.

    (Remember that in Arabic and Hebrew there are two types of plurals. One of numbers and the other of honour as in Royal proclamations. Since the plural of honour is uncommon in the language of the European, he has confused these plurals to connote a plurality in the "godhead," hence his justification for his Doctrine of the Holy Trinity - the Father, Son and Holy Ghost).

    Hence ELOHIM = ELOH + IM. Now do you see the words: YA-HUWA ELOH-IM? Place your left hand index finger on the first two letters "YA" meaning oh! and the other index finger on the "IM" a plural of respect. What you now have remaining in Huwa Eloh or Huwa Elah. El in Hebrew means god, and Elah or Eloh also stands for the same name - god. Therefore, "Huwa el Elah" or HUWA 'L LAH, which is identical to the Quranic expression - Huwal lah hu (meaning: HE IS ALLAH) of the verse QUL HUWAL LAH HU AHUD

    [font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]SAY:[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][​IMG][/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]HE IS ALLAH[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][​IMG][/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]HE IS ONE[/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][​IMG][/font][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]​
    Holy Qur'an 112:1
    The above exercise proves that El, Elah and Elohim are not three distinctly different words. They all represent the single Arabic word Allah. This is not my wishful thinking. Please see below. It is a photostatic reproduction of a page from the English Bible, edited by Rev. C. I. Scofield,D.D., with his Bible Commentary· This Doctor of Divinity is well respected among the Bible Scholars of the Christian world. He is backed in his "NEW AND IMPROVED EDITION" of this translation by a galaxy of eight other D.D.'s:

    Rev. Henry G. Weston, D.D., LL.D., President Crozer Theological jeminary.
    Rev. W. G. Moorehead, D.D., President Xenia (U.I,) Theological Seminary.
    Rev. lames M. Gray, D.D., President Moody Bible Institute.
    Rev. Elmore Harris, D.D., President Toronto Bible Institute.
    Rev. William !. Erdman, D.D., Author "The Gospel of John," etc.
    Rev. Arthur T. Pierson, D.D., Author, Editor, Teacher, etc.
    Rev. William L. Pettingill, D.D., Author, Editor, Teacher.
    Arno C. Gaebelein, Author "Harmoney of Prophetic Word," etc.


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  5. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    That seems reasonable nothing to take umbridge with there.

    This I don't understand, seems to take the idea further than I care to. Perhaps you could expand this a bit.

    Terry
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  6. jonny

    jonny Well-Known Member

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    I see an Angel as any visitor that isn't in this dimension or world. This could include spirits that never had bodies, spirits who have died and not been resurrected, or beings that have lived, died and then been resurrected. I would consider an Angel a messenger or a guardian.
     
  7. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Well, you are undoubtedly familiar with the twelfth chapter of Revelation. This chapter describes a rebellion which took took place in Heaven, resulting in Lucifer's being cast out of the Father's presence along with "his angels" (who constituted a third of the host of heaven). These events seem to cause a great deal of debate among Christians of all denominations. Here are some of the verses that are significant to this particular discussion:

    Revelation 12:3-4 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew thethird part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth...

    Revelation 12:7-9 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    I believe that Lucifer's angels were spirit sons and daughters of God who fought against Him and sided with Lucifer in that "war," and that these angels consequently forfeited their right to experience mortality.

    Along the same line, I believe that the reference to the "morning stars [singing] together, and all the sons of God [shouting] for joy" (in Job 38:7) refers to those angels whose loyalties were to God, and who fought with Michael to overthrow Lucifer. They would eventually gain physical bodies and come to earth. All of us were among that group of angels.

    This is all part of the LDS understanding of the pre-mortal existence of man, which is probably why it didn't make a lot of sense to you. I realize it sounds pretty far out to mainstream Christians. ;)
     
  8. Feathers in Hair

    Feathers in Hair World's Tallest Hobbit

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    A spirit who is helpful.
     
  9. Hazel

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    Angels are spiritual beings that were created before humans. I do not believe (nor do I believe the Bible says this) that they are humans who have died.

    They have many occupations including worshiping God and acting as messengers on his behalf.
     
  10. chariot of fire

    chariot of fire New Member

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    angels were created by God as His ministering spirits..they are real and most of the times appear in dreams and visions. angels have ranks and perfom tasks accordingly. they can manifest on human bodies (theopanies). the fallen angels that were cast out from heaven used human bodies also to dwell, they are those who do supremely evil things.
     
  11. retrorich

    retrorich SUPER NOT-A-MOD

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    To me, an angel is that beautiful lady who played Monica the Angel on the old TV series, "Touched by an Angel." And Clarence the Angel in the classic movie, "It's a Wonderful Life." In other words, an angel is a lovable but fictitious character.
     
  12. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    G-d's go-to guys
     
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