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What is a loser?

Discussion in 'The Social World' started by Spiderman, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. Quagmire

    Quagmire Imaginary talking monkey
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    Well, maybe you should get out more than.

    I think if you stop labeling people you'll worry less about what they call you.

    Two problems with that that I see:

    1. What makes you think you're qualified to decide who is and isn't a loser?

    2. Don't you think that the time and effort you waste looking for other people's faults would be better spent working on your own?
     
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  2. Samana Johann

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    It's ones lose to have a problem with others gain and lose. Why does householder see a problem?
    One who has wore many shows might know. One knowing just till bars might guess according his views. Certain, if one wouldn't take the non-essencial as essence, essence as non-essence, one could go on and progress.
    Such far one can assist, as it was the OPs request. Whether one does or not is the individuals choice.
    That probable compassioned (of what is praiseworthy), yet sounds in it self hypocratical, doesn't it. Maybe householder reads again through the thread as there are surely valuable things not so fast seen if not very attentive.
    Oven one is already gone lost and doesn't recognice that just hanging on a tiny string of preoccupations, ideas, non-essence. The more relaying on it, the more lose once they come to realized as they are.
     
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    Because "householder" is looking.

    Maybe someday Label-maker will give it a try.

    It doesn't matter how many disguises one has worn if they all included a blindfold.

    But if one takes non-sense for sense and sense for non-sense one could just go on and on.

    I didn't ask you why you answered the OP, I asked you why you consider yourself so qualified to. Besides, you do something like this in every thread. :D

    Yes it does. Most rationalizations do.

    Yes, I'm sure it'll all look less arrogant and judgmental on a second go-through. :D

    Oh no!! Oven one is gone lost????
    Why wasn't I informed of this???

    Wait, what the hell are we talking about now?
     
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    Looking at things and see essence in not-essence, not-essence in essence, causes problems, by cause. yes.

    Not is it, that giving lables is wrong, but giving that what is non-essence the lable essence, essence the lable non-essence, is making one a loser.

    The fact wearing disguises, always using avatars to hide, does not mean that all are likewise. And there are those who do no more wear any shoes, abound the use of vehicles and what is not given as well.

    Indeed, those how do so are destinate for ever again being losers, become another time in a womb, age, get sick and die.

    As told, critic could be very helpful and of huge compassion. Whether one is able or not... ones choice and good to consider is that some benefiting great are not always perceived, do not always give one ways to recognice.

    Accidently is not related to intention it has caused. Reflection on ones own opinions, especially when still hanging on house, is actually seldom of others benefit. And if been cut of the head and thinking because it hasn't fall down yet, doesn't change facts. So always good to check it out well instead running on headless.

    Sure is good if proper proved, investigated and approved by wise. Praise of what is to blame, blame of what is to praise, both leads to hell. AN 4.83: Avannaraha Sutta - Dispraise

    Look at the OP, householder. This person got aware of something of essence, yet he seeked out to get approve. While it is of course not smart to seek approve under blind, gifted if getting approved by wise and recognize it at such.

    As long as evil has yet to ripen,
    the fool mistakes it for honey.
    But when that evil ripens, the fool falls into
    pain. (do wise, not out of reason, say.)​

    A fool (loser) with a sense of his foolishness (lose) is
    — at least to that extent — wise (winner).
    But a fool (loser) who thinks himself wise (as winner)
    really deserves to be called
    a fool.(loser)​
     
  5. Quagmire

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    I can see that.

    Yes, actually it is.

    Yes, but which one?

    Like a monk's robes for instance?

    Avatars are a form of expression. Your's just seems to be saying, "Look at me"!

    Because they're not going anywhere.

    psssst, the truck that brings supplies to your monastery is a vehicle.

    Yeah, have fun with that (pssst, might want to check out rule 8: RF Rules)

    Anyone who gives unsolicited advice, especially after he's been told it isn't welcome, isn't practicing compassion. That's just part of the disguise.

    I wonder if it's fooling anyone besides you (or is that good enough?)
    Dude, are you having some sort of an episode?

    Again, Rule 8.

    Yes, we could all learn quite a bit from PopeADope (although, of course, not all of us will).



    *cough cough*

    Couldn't have said it better myself. :thumbsup:
     
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    The tell as householder sees, is capable to see, right here:

    Is the eye and it's objects, form, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

    Is the ear and it's objects, sound, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

    Is the nose and it's objects, smells, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

    Is the tongue and it's objects, tasts, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

    Is the body and it's objects, physical touches, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

    Is the intellect and it's objects, thoughts and ideas, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

    Look as it is, householder, and answer like you may be fit.
     
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    What I mean't was, I can see you.

    Even if you can't.
     
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    As in regard of what householder sees as imagine prophesy:
    Answer the question if fit after prove, no need to put one strew man after another and tell things you can see while not there is any prove. After that householder might really be able to see who's/what's behind.
     
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    Like I said: even if you can't.
     
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    If so, answer as fit: Turn to the eye and an object and prove:

    Is the eye and it's objects, form, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

    Is the ear and it's objects, sound, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

    Is the nose and it's objects, smells, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

    Is the tongue and it's objects, tasts, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

    Is the body and it's objects, physical touches, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

    Is the intellect and it's objects, thoughts and ideas, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

    If seen of what is a loser, althought surely in hell for a while, after praising what has to be blamed, blamed of what has to be praised... There are some cast off robes and and alms bowl and a hut in the forest. If householder is capable to let go of what is not essence, he may make use of it for and end of lose. (Just to be sure: there wouldn't be truck supplying, and it's not sure that he might gain food all days, not to speak of medicine if sick and he wouldn't be given to ask for any of those things. But one gained a glimpse of essence it wouldn't burden him much, either to live on or to die, as such as fears would have fade).

    And nothing to worry, those who see understand why beings are not capable to let go, wouldn't have forgot the burdens they could abound. Sometime they appear for those who would be capable to escape the house on fire.
     
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    Thanks! Lol! :D
     
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    I do volunteer work, feed people, give to beggars, offer friendship to people who have none, clean up a crippled person's room and take out his trash, pray for people... I hope I'm not a total leech. Besides, I'm looking for work but my work history sucks and I just got my ID back and I have passionate initiative, it's just I'm not qualified for the jobs I want like being a history, philosophy, or religion teacher or politician...or doctor lol

    I tried college. It drove me nuts
     
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    I don't view you as a loser, no.
     
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    And sometimes, they pretend there's a fire so they can get away with peeing on someone's shoes and calling it "compassion". :D




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    Been there, done that. Got the sackcloth.
     
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    Can't say this doesn't bother me:

    "On seeing him, the thought occurred to him, 'Who is this leper prowling about?' Spitting and disrespectfully turning his left side to Tagarasikhin the Private Buddha, he left. As a result of that deed he boiled in hell for many years, many hundreds of years, many thousands of years, many hundreds of thousands of years. And then as a remainder of the result of that deed he became a poor, miserable wretch of a person in this very Rājagaha"

    Such an enormous punishment.

    Other than that, good story/parable
     
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