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What if the Bible was written as a scientific text?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Stevicus, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. Stevicus

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    What if the Bible was written as a scientific text?

    That is, if we assume that there is/was a sentient being called "God" who created the entire universe from scratch, if He was to write a scientific paper on how He did it, what do you suppose it would look like?

    I'd imagine it would contain a lot of technobabble that would embarrass Star Trek's scriptwriters and likely be incomprehensible to even the most brilliant scientific minds.

    After all, creating an entire universe from nothing is still beyond our scientific and technological capabilities.

    An analogous situation might be a scientist from today going back 2000 years and explaining how to build a rocket or split the atom. The people wouldn't understand it at all, but if someone wrote it down verbatim and saved it for posterity, it might be quite impressive just the same.

    If that was the case, would the Bible be more believable? If Genesis was written in scientific detail, with charts, graphs, scientific equations that no one from that long ago could have come up with on their own, could that, in and of itself, be considered evidence for God?
     
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    I think the "Bible" was written by tribal men who were doing their best to explain the things they saw. According to BU Arion (where ever that is.)(Boston University), they think that the first written work about God was in 800 bc. Sumerians are said to have been writing things around 3000 bc. I want to think that the Jewish belief system is very old, but perhaps not so much? So that means that many stories of the OT were passed around at the campfire for thousands of years?

    The best I can come up with is that Moses was born around 1592 bc. ? AND, the OT was not compiled as a book until when? Apparently, it took the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls to finalize part of the OT?

    I think that apart from Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the NT should be taken with a grain of salt. And then you have how sometimes mean old b...... interpreted it in the harshest way possible. One's personality has a way of shaping a belief system. I used to be much more confident in the KJV but came to find that King James was murderous. Now what?

    I'm convinced that Ezekiel saw some sort of flying machine or space craft. Who knows what the cloud that Moses saw was?
     
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    If it was written as a technical manual it would be boring
     
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    Life today would be basically a Jewish Futurama. They would have had rock'n roll thousands of years ago. Buddy Holly would be just another poser. All of the copper would have been used up by now for electric wires, and instead of wire we'd all be using glass tubes full of hydrated paste. Aluminum would be all used up, too. The brains of the ancient Israeli elders would all be alive today in electrified tanks, so that they could be consulted on decisions.
     
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    Yes, it would be evidence for God, but what would that do to the concept of faith ?

    The Bible describes faith as ¨ the evidence of things hoped for, the reality of things not seen ¨

    For His own reasons, God considers faith the most important vehicle to approach Him, and become in harmony with Him.

    Knowing by absolute evidence that there is a God, would destroy to a certain extent free will, and would change the paradigm of faith and love into a form of coercion, and absolutism.
     
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  6. Enoch07

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    Anti-Christian people would still deny it.

    After all there is a recipe for antibacterial soap that was written thousands of years before we "invented" it on Christmas of 1984 of all dates. :D

    *note regular soap was invented in 1878*
     
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    "After all, creating an entire universe from nothing is still beyond our scientific and technological capabilities."

    Well qualities will always be totally beyond our sciences and technology Regardless. So... The bible is about that beyond science amd technologies forever.

    Due to evolutionary limitations thats really difficult to explain. It would be like explaining quantum mechanics to a rock.
     
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    You mean if the Bible actually explained how to create a universe?

    That'd be a bit awkward, then everyone would be out there creating their own universe and nobody would be in charge.
     
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    I imagine creating a whole damn universe would take a *stupid* amount of energy. The kind of energy that only God could produce.
     
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    Of course ancient peoples wouldn't know how to understand it.

    But here is a hypothetical situation.

    Imagine the world we live in now, everything is exactly the same, with 1 exception. That exception being we just discovered this "blueprint" for reality written by God, was just discovered yesterday. It explains exactly the processes of how He created everything including the chemicals used charts, diagrams, as proposed by the OP.

    With CERNs work with the collider we have a basic understanding of how the universe could have been created. Also with the great understanding we have of physics, thermal dynamics, chemistry, and quantum mechanics to a lesser degree.

    I still think anti-Christian folks would deny this paper. They would find many excuses to try and discredit it even if the science was solid. Imho anyways.
     
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    There was a Greek philosopher that said the same thing, that if we knew for sure that God existed we would not only lose our will but we would not be able to question things anymore
     
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    "Knowing" that something will happen and "believing" that it will, are two entirely different things.

    One is a foregone conclusion and the other is a hope.....I believe that faith combines the two. (Hebrews 11:1)
     
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    That’s basically why I think a merciful God wouldn’t do such a thing.
    Because it would cause the brilliant minds to reject God due to their own lack of understanding and why would a merciful God hate on the brilliant people by doing such a thing as would only lead them astray from God?
     
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    IMO it was certainly written as a result of long time empirical knowledge of physical and spiritual observations.
    If you study comparative religions and their stories of creation, several religions claims the creation to be of an eternal nature, so the "creation of the Universe from scratch" is out of the equation. This term is a modern (Big Bang) cosmological invention.

    Even your "he alone" term as the sole creator doesn´t fit to many religions which had both a "he" and a "she" creator of everything via LIGHT and MATTER.
    Genesis has the similar basic context as lots of other cultural religious stories of creation, but it has lost some of the mythical and cosmological meanings, which in fact constitutes "detail, with charts, graphs, scientific equations".

    Regarding "evidence of god", I dont think you can find a personal deity anywhere in cosmos, but if you take "god" as LIGHT you can find lots of cosmic evidences, even inside your self.
     
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    I agree 100 % in this. Through all times observable and sensitive humans all over the world have gained knowledge of the creation as such.
    I don´t think so. Ezekiel observed "wheels inside wheels" and if you think of cosmological motions of planets, stars and galaxies, everything in cosmos is rotating and orbiting, thus resembling wheels in cosmos.
     
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    Well, IMO it really didn´t. The ancient known part of the Universe at the largest "just" contained observable knowledge of the Milky Way galaxy and not of the entire Universe.

    Besides this, many cultural religions states the creation to be of an eternal nature, and has therefore NO beginning and NO end.
     
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    Ah, no.

    Because in order to be scientific text, the Bible need to explain not only WHAT it is an HOW it work. And the explanation needs to be clear and detailed.

    And the Bible never explain anything.

    For instance, god created light to divide day from night. There is no detail as to where this light come from, because there are no mention of light in the 1st day of creation (or in the 2nd and 3rd day). The Sun is only implied to be created on the 4th day along with the moon and stars.

    So what is that source of light, where there is “the evening and morning”, if it isn’t the Sun for the first 3 days?

    And according to 3rd day, land vegetation were created even before there were light from the sun. How is that possible?

    And again, there are no explanation.

    That vegetation exist before the sun and stars, just make Genesis false and scientifically wrong.

    And according to the 5th and 6th days, birds were created at the same time as sea life, and created before land animals. Again, that false and scientifically wrong, before the fossil records showed that primitive reptiles, primitive mammals and dinosaurs all existing before there were any true birds. True birds only began appearing either mid to late Cretaceous period.

    And also false, is that not all birds with wings can fly (eg ostriches, emus and penguins). And I don’t remember which verse it was, the Bible identified bats as birds, which they are not. It wrongly identified bats, and doesn’t recognize not all winged birds can fly, and more importantly than all this, the Bible never bother to explain.

    Plus, I am no expert in botany, but if I recalled correctly, earliest vegetation have no seeds and bear no fruits. Again, there are no details, no explanation.

    As the Bible stands now, it could never be scientific texts, because the texts never explain anything about nature, and have been wrong in so many ways.

    And “God did it”, isn’t explanation; that is merely superstition.
     
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