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What happens to the goats of Matthew 25:32 who didn’t feed the sheep?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Feb 21, 2018.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    What happens to the goats of Matthew 25:32 who didn’t feed the sheep (Matthew 25:35)?

    It is the Shepherds of Ezekiel 34:1-3, who did not feed the sheep. It is the “male goats” of Ezekiel 34:17 who will be judged? What are the “male goats” of Ezekiel 34:17 judged for?

    As for “Shepherds”, Yeshua said there was only one leader and one teacher (Matthew 23:8-10). And per Ezekiel 34:23, there will be only one shepherd again, “My servant, David”. It is the false prophet Paul who set up the multitude of teachers, apostles, leaders, and pastors, who according to him, are to be paid as the ox is not muzzled, and the laborer is to be paid. The problem is that the “shepherds”, the pastors, are not “laborers”, and what is received freely, is to be given freely. (Matthew 10:8-10) That is why the “LORD” said “to me” (Ez 34:1), (Ez 34:11)“I am against the Shepherds…. And make them cease from feeding sheep…. I shall deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be food for them”. The coming “judgment” is for the “male goats” (Ezekiel 34:17), which would be apparently those “shepherds”. Apparently, according to Matthew 25:32, the goats didn’t feed the sheep (Matthew 25:35) , and things seem to go downhill for them very fast. The “shepherds” who didn’t heal the diseased (Ezekiel 34:4), or feed the hungry but fed themselves (Ezekiel 34:2) with the fat of the sheep (Ezekiel 34:3), might want to start looking for a rock to hide under (Revelation 6:12-16). Keep in mind, that there are other “shepherds”, but they mostly fall in line with the two shepherds/staffs taken to “pasture the flock doomed to slaughter” (Zechariah 11:4-7). Those two shepherds, along with a third shepherd (Zechariah 11:12-13), all died in the same generation/month (Zechariah 11:8), and they were Paul (Zechariah 11:10), Judas (Zechariah 11:12-13), and Peter (Zechariah 11:14-17), who was termed the “worthless shepherd” (Zechariah 11:17).

    Matthew 10:8-10 “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay

    Matthew 25:32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
     
  2. JoshuaTree

    JoshuaTree Flowers are red?

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    The point of the trilogy of parables of Matthew 25 was to illustrate that despite man's best efforts it is God that ultimately decides who will and who will not be saved. On the one hand God saved those that accidentally (unknowingly) helped someone while on the other hand God condemned those that accidentally (unknowingly) failed to help someone. The people could accept the fate of stupud virgins and poor investors but could not understand the meaning of the sheep and the goats at the time because they believed God should reward the good choices they made. Not our choice, God's choice. Not our will be done, God's will be done. Jesus was powerless to convince Nicodemus that just like his first birth he had no choice as to the time and place of his second birth. Nicodemus could no more understand Jesus words at the time than the people hearing the parables.
     
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    The point of the parables of Yeshua, were to express the “kingdom of heaven at hand”, which is based on “justice” and “righteousness”(Isaiah 28:15-18) and not the false gospel of “saved” by the unmerited favor of God. As for “foolish” virgins, or men, without the Spirit of God, they will not achieve entrance into the kingdom of heaven. Parables can be take more than one way, and they also can be taken wrongly and correctly.

    If one does not “seek” “His righteousness” or “His kingdom”, then he isn’t going to find it (Matthew 6:33). As for the parable of the Talent, he “who has” “more shall be given”. Those that enter the kingdom here and now, will be given without asking: “your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things…. and all these things shall be added to you”. As for the sheep and the goats, all men will be judged according to their own deeds (Revelation 20:13). If you take from the fat sheep, and feed yourself, and do not “feed the flock”(Ez 34:3), you will inevitably be held accountable (Ez 34:17). No one is going to die for your “iniquities” (Jeremiah 31:30). You are following the “broad” “way” to “destruction” if you think “you surely shall not die” and be “saved” (Genesis 3:4) & (1 Thess 4:17). “Everyone will die for his own iniquities” (Jeremiah 31:30). And as for who does not “understand”(Daniel 12:10) (Nicodemus), that would be the “wicked”, those who haven’t found “His righteousness”, nor “His kingdom”. As for who will be “deceived”, that would include “those who dwell on the earth”(Revelation 13:14), precluding those written in the “book of life written from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8), which would be the elect, and even the possibility of them being deceived is not ruled out per Matthew 24:24.

    No one is “saved” per se, they “escape” or “survive” the “awesome day of the LORD” (Joel 2:31-32) If the “great tribulation” had not been cut short for the sake of the elect, no “life would have been saved”, or more bluntly, survived.

    If the “wicked” turn to “righteousness” they shall “save his life” (Ezekiel 18:27), and visa versa (Ez 18:26)
     
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    It wasn't the sheep being fed. It was Christ's brothers! The goat group didn't render any help, but the sheep did!

    Three groups are mentioned: the goats, the sheep, and Christ's brothers ("the least of these My brothers").
     
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    I guess you missed the reference made in Matthew 25:35, where as "I was a stranger, and you invited Me in", or the story of the good Samaritan who was not related to the victim. As for "Christ's brothers", I am thinking that would not include the "tares" which are to be "gathered" "first" and tossed into the "fire" (Matthew 13:30), which would be among the "many" (Matthew 7:13). "These brothers of Mine", would not be referring to the weeds called tares, which are biologically unable to produce fruit.
     
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    2ndpillar,
    Matthew 25:46, tells us what happens to them, they go into everlasting punishment.
    Now, this term punishment does not mean that they will be alive eternally to be tormented. Their punishment will be eternal death, 2Thessalonians 1:6-9. This is the same place that all go who are not written in the Book of Life, Revelation 20:14,15.
    When Jesus comes again, he comes to Judge the world, Matthew 25:31-33, Acts 17:31.
    Remember, the wages that sin pays is death, Romans 2:23. When a person dies, he has paid the ultimate price for his sins, so there is not conscious punishment for them, just death, Romans 6:7. Ecclesiastes 3:18-20, 9:5,6,10. Think about this, it would not be just to punish anyone for eternity, for what they did in the few years of man’s life today,
    Incidentally the place of everlasting death has several different names in the Bible, Gehenna, Lake of Fire and Sulfur.
    Sheol in the Hebrew Scriptures, and Hades in the Greek Scriptures are the words used to mean the common grave of mankind. This is where Jesus went after his death, not into a place of torment or punishment, just as most who have ever lived on earth will go, waiting for a resurrection, John 5;28,28, Acts 24:14,15.
     
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    And why does the "false prophet" have to be "tormented day and night forever and ever"? (Revelation 20:10)
     
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    2ndpillar,
    This is another example of saying that the False Prophet will go away into everlasting, or in this case, because the False Prophet is a symbol, it means out of existence, forever. Another example which shows the same meaning, is Revelation 19:3, where the Great Prostitute is the same as Babylon the Great at Revelation,
    17:1,2,5,5. Both the False Prophet and Babylon the Great will be destroyed forever. The smoke ascending forever, means they will remain forever in The Lake of Fire and Sulfur, just like the graves, after being emptied, will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and Sulfur, meaning out of existence, forever.
    Have you researched the Scriptures to understand what the False Prophet symbolizes? This is something that very few understand. It is a symbol for the United States and Britain, the Anglo-American combine, that is the Seventh head of the Seven headed scarlet colored wild beast that The Great Harlot is sitting on, mentioned at Revelation17:3-6.
    To understand why This Anglo-American Combine is named The False Prophet, you must go to Revelation, chapter 13.
    If you want an explanation of this chapter,let me know, for this post is getting a little long.
     
  9. 2ndpillar

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    The "false prophets" of Mt 7:13, of which Paul is one of the major players, draw the "many" down the "broad" "way" to "destruction". As in the case of Paul, he is described as a Pharisee, as in the leaven of the Pharisee, the "leaven" being hypocrisy. In Mt 23:23:35, even those who claim a relationship to the persecutors of the messengers of God are held liable for the blood of all the righteous. What happens to those who actually persecuted and killed those messengers?

    As for Babylon the Great, she sat on the beast with 7 heads (Rev 17:3). Well, we are in the era of the 8th head of the beast (who was and is not). The U.S. was born after the 7th head, and that 8th head of the beast, "who was and is not", is near to it's demise, ", and will be "crushed along with the other kingdoms, "all at the same time" (Daniel 2:35). As for the remaining "daughters of Babylon", they will "fall" (Mt 7:27), and euphemistically, will be "thrown into the sea" (Rev 18:21).
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Is generally interpreted as referring to the Roman Empire, and "Babylonia" (feminine), as found in one of Peter's epistles, is generally interpreted as being a reference to the city of Rome.

    My understanding is that these symbolic names are used in other sources as well.
     
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    The Roman empire would be one of the heads of the beast of Rev 13 & 17. "Babylon the Great" was to sit on the beast with 7 heads (Mt 17:3).

    Babylon, would be the mother of harlots and abominations (Rev 17:5), which would be inclusive of the Roman church and her daughters as "daughters of Babylon" (Zech 2:7).
     
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