What happened to the non-Muslims in Arabia?

[TagliatelliMonster]

We have legal theory in the US too.. Do you know what that means?

The point is that the Saudi's essentially punish thought crimes with gruesome public death.
No matter what semantic defence you wish to go for.

You always do this. If one hears you talking about this, it would seem as if apostacy in Arabia isn't relevant and that it's always about something else, like murder (which for some inexplicable reason is supposed to be the same as apostacy, while that is simply not true by definition of both words).

When we talk about apostacy, we talk only about apostacy. That is to say: being a muslim and then publicly renouncing Islam and converting to another religion or even "worse": become an atheist, of all things!

That the saudi's like to call that "treason", is completely beside the point.

 

[sooda]

It was all about oil money. Your Aramco produced income to Saudi Arabia, and they allowed you your gated villages, where you could continue your idol worship without interruption.

That too.. Cheap oil from the ME made America a super power and fueled the Marshal Plan.

 

[sooda]

The point is that the Saudi's essentially punish thought crimes with gruesome public death.
No matter what semantic defence you wish to go for.

You always do this. If one hears you talking about this, it would seem as if apostacy in Arabia isn't relevant and that it's always about something else, like murder (which for some inexplicable reason is supposed to be the same as apostacy, while that is simply not true by definition of both words).

When we talk about apostacy, we talk only about apostacy. That is to say: being a muslim and then publicly renouncing Islam and converting to another religion or even "worse": become an atheist, of all things!

That the saudi's like to call that "treason", is completely beside the point.

Why didn't you post a link for your hanging photos?

Saudi Arabia executes five Yemenis

Robbery and murder aren't thought crimes.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Why didn't you post a link for your hanging photos?
Saudi Arabia executes five Yemenis

Bodies of decapitated convicts displayed in Saudi public square
Five Yemenis executed and publically displayed in Saudi Arabia

Robbery and murder aren't thought crimes.

Nobody said anything about what these 5 yemeni's were convicted off.
And frankly: it is entirely irrelevant. They could be mass serial killing rapists for all I care. It matters not.

I note that I still haven't gotten even the SLIGHTEST hint of you that you condemn such barbaric, gruesome, medieval, primitive and disgusting practices.

Au contraire... if anything, you seem to be defending it.


I wonder what the next excuse will be...

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Robbery and murder aren't thought crimes.

About the whole apostasy thingy.... let's put a pin in that one as well:

Saudi Arabia: Poet Sentenced to Death for Apostasy

A Saudi court sentenced a Palestinian man to death for apostasy on November 17, 2015, for alleged blasphemous statements during a discussion group and in a book of his poetry.
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The trial documents, which Human Rights Watch reviewed, indicate that members of Saudi Arabia’s Committee on the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, or religious police, arrested Fayadh at a café in Abha, in southern Saudi Arabia, in August 2013. The religious police went to the café after a man reported that Fayadh had made obscene comments about God, the Prophet Muhammad, and the Saudi state. The man also alleged that Fayadh passed around a book he wrote that allegedly promoted atheism and unbelief.
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The religious police held him for a day, then released him, but authorities re-arrested him on January 1, 2014. Prosecutors charged him with a host of blasphemy-related charges, including: blaspheming “the divine self” and the Prophet Muhammad; spreading atheism and promoting it among the youth in public places; mocking the verses of God and the prophets; refuting the Quran; denying the day of resurrection; objecting to fate and divine decree; and having an illicit relationship with women and storing their pictures in his phone.

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So much for this nonsense of saudi arabia not punishing thought crimes and the nonsense about reason and murder and whatnot as being what "apostasy" supposedly is.


Eventually this death sentence wasn't carried out. The only reason that it didn't go through, was because of enormous international outcry. The fact though, is that this sentence WAS spoken out and had it not been thanks to such protest, it would have definatly been carried out for those exact reasons.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Nope. Apostacy in Islam is treason.. meaning a person has betrayed the faith and the community.

Apostasy in Islam can mean whatever it wants. The moment someone leaves the faith they are a non-Muslim and that (frankly weird) definition stops applying to them.

In the real world, apostasy refers to changing one's religious beliefs. It is not treason unless you advocate thought crime.

Apostasy would only equal treason if there was a unified Islamic polity but there is not. Treason is a purely political crime; not a religious one. A Muslim renouncing Islam in the UK is not committing treason; a Muslim in Japan renouncing Islam is not committing treason. A Muslim converting to Chrisitianity in Iraq is not committing treason. Neither is a Saudi Muslim who becomes an atheist.

You cannot commit treason against a religious dogma.

In Arabia if you commit murder, you are automatically guilty of apostacy.

I'll be eagerly awaiting the religious police and the authorities to be labelled apostates because they murder Saudi citizens on a regular basis, from the sounds of things, and executed. Of course that's not going to happen because murder is actually okay in KSA.

Unbelief alone is not a capital crime.

The fact 'unbelief' is even a crime is disgraceful.

 

[sooda]

Apostasy in Islam can mean whatever it wants. The moment someone leaves the faith they are a non-Muslim and that (frankly weird) definition stops applying to them.

In the real world, apostasy refers to changing one's religious beliefs. It is not treason unless you advocate thought crime.

Apostasy would only equal treason if there was a unified Islamic polity but there is not. Treason is a purely political crime; not a religious one. A Muslim renouncing Islam in the UK is not committing treason; a Muslim in Japan renouncing Islam is not committing treason. A Muslim converting to Chrisitianity in Iraq is not committing treason. Neither is a Saudi Muslim who becomes an atheist.

You cannot commit treason against a religious dogma.

I'll be eagerly awaiting the religious police and the authorities to be labelled apostates because they murder Saudi citizens on a regular basis, from the sounds of things, and executed. Of course that's not going to happen because murder is actually okay in KSA.

The fact 'unbelief' is even a crime is disgraceful.

How sad that you really don't know any better. Where did you get your weird ideas from? You know there are 40,000 Americans working and raising families in Arabia.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

How sad that you really don't know any better. Where did you get your weird ideas from? You know there are 40,000 Americans working and raising families in Arabia.

None of this refutes any of what I said. Address what was said please rather than making snide 'you're uninformed' remarks.

 

[sooda]

None of this refutes any of what I said. Address what was said please rather than making snide 'you're uninformed' remarks.

The Mutaween have no police powers and they are rare in the Eastern Province. They are also banned from Jubail and Yanbu. If you'd ever been to Saudi Arabia, you'd know that.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The Mutaween have no police powers and they are rare in the Eastern Province. They are also banned from Jubail and Yanbu. If you'd ever been to Saudi Arabia, you'd know that.

So what you're saying is they're a body who have no police powers, rule through fear and carry out extra-judicial executions? That sounds like vigilantes committing murder.

Also, when were you last in KSA and how much of the country have you seen?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

How sad that you really don't know any better. Where did you get your weird ideas from? You know there are 40,000 Americans working and raising families in Arabia.

And they get special treatments as if they were royalty.
For obvious black gold reasons.

Like when what's-her-name Trump (his daughter) went over there... A saudi woman should try to dress like that in public...

You are in complete denial.

Still no word from you that you condemns the gruesome practice of decapitating people in public and then hanging their lifeless, headless and bloody bodies on cranes in front of a university while students are taking exams, for all to see.

In fact, still not even an acknowledgement that such gruesome nonsense actually happens in KSA. Because you denied this when I first brought it up and even insinuated that those pics were from Iran and not KSA.

I guess that means that you're fine with it?
So if you drive to the beach with your kids in the US and see such dead bodies suspended over the road, you'ld be totally cool with that?

I also gave you an example where it literally says that a person was sentenced to (public, gruesome) death for apostasy because he SAID or WROTE certain things they didn't like.

No word on that either.

Telling, telling, telling.