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Featured What happened to the non-Muslims in Arabia?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by ronki23, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM.

  1. ronki23

    ronki23 Well-Known Member

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    My issue with being an Omnist is that I don't know what happened to the non-Muslims in Arabia when Islam was established. If they were forced to convert then how can I say all religions are a path to God if the Muslims clearly didn't think so?
     
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    Muhammed protected the Christians of Najran from anymore attacks by the Jewish king of Yemen..

    Ultimately the Jews tribes in Arabia returned to Jericho. There were still 7 bishoprics in Tarut Island and on the East coast.

    What is an Omnist and what is your interest in KSA?
     
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    ronki23 Well-Known Member

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    Omnists believe in all religions:

    The supreme God is Waheguru/ ParaBrahman and has no form or shape

    Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva manage the Universe and have their own duties

    Rama, Krishna, Buddha and Jesus are avatars of Vishnu

    The Gurus and Prophets us about how we should live our lives
     
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    How nice.
     
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    Short answer, dead, driven out, or coerced into conversion.

    But, it wasn't always that way... Tolerance of Christians and other faiths were the norm for a vast majority of the time in Islams history. That changes due to faults on both sides, but continued for the better part of 600 years. Since about the 14th or 15th century though, Islam has basically been intolerant to all religions other than itself as it, as a whole, has become more fundamentalist. Of course, all that being said, there are modern or westernized Muslims that aren't exactly down with all this.
     
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    Christian expats in Arabia have had Sunday school, church, choir, Christmas pageants and vacation Bible school since the late 1940s.

    We used to have a lifesize manger with live animals and angels on the roof.. It was great.
     
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    Just don't preach in public. Or try to set foot in Medina or Mecca - cities that are off limits for non-muslims.
    When you approach them on the highway, it literally has traffic signs with arrows saying "muslims here" and "non-muslims here".
     
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    Right. Why would a Christian want to go to Mecca or Medina?

    As for preaching.. I've had many conversations with Muslims about religion and that is not considered preaching.
     
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    For the same reason that hindu's, jews, muslims, budhists, scientologists, mormons, atheists, ... like to visit places like the Vatican.

    You ask the wrong question.
    The question is not "why would they want to?"
    The actual question is "why aren't they allowed to?"

    Because the answer to that question is a hell of a lot more interesting and will provide a lot more insight into the underlying problem.

    I mean, seriously.... the idea alone that ON A HIGHWAY, there are lanes for people of religion X and lanes for people of religion Y.... Seriously.

    People call it "culture". I call it discriminatory, bigoted, segregated, inhuman, barbaric, divisive, absolute bs nonsense.

    That is indeed not considered preaching. Because preaching is not just having a conversation about religion.
     
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    I have never known an American who wanted to go to Mecca or Medina.. and there are 40,000 currently living in the kingdom.
     
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    They'd be immediately exported to their home country if they did. So if I wanted to remain free to live/remain in the Kingdom, I wouldn't want to go to Mecca either.
     
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    Let me tell you the crux of the Najran story: The "Christians" were forced to become "Muslims". As for the deaths of "Christians" in Najran, that happen in 523 AD, a century before Islam. Once Islam gained power, the "Christians" were forced to become Muslims.

    The story of the Najran people is not complete unless a later episode is mentioned; when the Prophet sent his military commander, Khalid ibn al-Walid, to the tribe of Al-Harith ibn Ka’b, in Najran. The Prophet ordered Khalid to call on those people to accept Islam and to give them a period of three days to make up their minds. If they accepted Islam, Khalid was to accept that from them. If they refused, he would fight them. When Khalid arrived there, he sent his emissaries all over the place, calling on the people to accept Islam. They did so without much hesitation.
    Prophet Muhammad Meets Najran Christians

    Historians offer a somewhat different account of what happened here, though the facts remain sketchy. A Jewish king named Dhu Nuwas did kill a large number of Christians in Najran in 523, a century before the birth of Islam. Christian Massacre Tugs at Ismailis’ Hearts in Saudi Arabia
     
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    They are awfully friendly, hospitable people.. What's your issue or are you just speculating for its own sake?
     
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    Yeah, Dhu Nuwas burned 2,000 of them.. The Christian king of Ethiopia intervened and when Muhammed was around 100 years later he protected them and waived Jizya.
     
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    What type of church does your gated community offer?
     
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    If you check my link, you will find that the archeological evidence points to them being killed by the sword. Cremated, possible. Christian Massacre Tugs at Ismailis’ Hearts in Saudi Arabia The prophets protection was short lived before forced conversion, and it was not aimed at the Jews. And the "Christians" were taxed, and forced to provide lodging for the prophets messengers.
     
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    Just pointing out the reason most foreigners wouldn't likely want to go to Mecca.
     
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    Protestant, Catholic and Episcopalian..

    When Dhu Nuwas invaded, he called upon its people to abandon Christianity and embrace Judaism. When they refused, he had them thrown into burning ditches alive. Estimates of the death toll from this event range up to 20,000 in some sources.[who?] Some sources[who?] say that Dus Dhu Tha'laban from the Saba tribe was the only man able to escape the massacre of Najran, who fled to Constantinople to seek help and promptly reported everything. This brought about the wrath of emperor of Byzantium, Justin I who, as protector of Christianity encouraged his ally, the Abyssinian king Ella-Asbeha of Aksum, to invade the country, kill Dhu-Nuwas, and annex Himyar in 525.

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    Christian community of Najran - Wikipedia
     
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    I always thought it had more to do with respect... which may be the reason ARAMCO was so successful in Arabia. We thought we were all goodwill Ambassadors for America.
     
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    The Greek Orthodox church, the Russian Orthodox church and the Syriac church all honor the Christians of Najran. The Ishmailis are rewriting history for the ignorant.
     
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