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Islam existed in full the day the last 'revelation' was made. The Qur'an says so explicitly in 5:3.
You aren’t a Muslim, you don’t have to take the Quran at face value.
You are allowed to think critically and look at evidence.
The secular historical evidence doesn’t seem to support you on this, but you absolutely refuse to learn even the most elementary aspects of contemporary secular scholarship on early Islam.
Islam existed in full the day the last 'revelation' was made. The Qur'an says so explicitly in 5:3.
Again - "This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."
How can it be "perfected" and "completed" yet still in the making?
If you weren’t so resistant to actually learning about secular scholarship of Islam, you’d already know this as I’ve told you before.
To start, we notice that the Qur'an addresses overwhelmingly people whom it calls "Believers" (mu'minun). In this, it differs from the traditional Muslim narratives and from modern scholarly practice, both of which routinely refer to Muhammad and his followers mainly as "Muslims" (muslimun, literally, "those who sub- mit") and refer to his movement as "Islam."
This later usage is, how- ever, misleading when applied to the beginnings of the community as reflected in the Qur'an. It is of course true that the words islam and muslim are found in the Qur'an, and it is also true that these words are sometimes applied in the text to Muhammad and his followers. But those instances are dwarfed in number by cases in which Muhammad and his followers are referred to as mu'minun, "Believers"-which occurs almost a thousand times, compared with fewer than seventy-five instances of muslim, and so on.
Later Muslim tradition, beginning about a century after Muhammad's time, came to emphasize the identity of Muhammad's followers as Muslims and attempted to neutralize the importance of the many passages in which they are called Believers by portraying the two terms as syn- onymous and interchangeable. But a number of Qur'anic passages make it clear that the words mu'min and muslim, although evidently related and sometimes applied to one and the same person, cannot be synonyms.
For example, Q. 49:14 states, "The bedouins say: 'We Believe' (aman-na). Say [to them]: 'You do not Believe; but rather say, "we submit" (aslam-na), for Belief has not yet entered your hearts.'" In this passage, Belief obviously means something different (and better) than "submission" (islam); and so we cannot simply equate the Believer with the Muslim, though some Muslims may qualify as Believers.
The Qur'an's frequent appeal to the Believers, then- usually in phrases such as "0 you who Believe .. .''-forces us to conclude that Muhammad and his early followers thought of them- selves above all as being a community ofBelievers, rather than one of Muslims, and referred to themselves as Believers. Moreover, the notion that they thought of themselves as Believers is corroborated by some very early documentary evidence dating from several decades after Muhammad's death.
Muhammad and the believers - F Donner
The Qur'an is the definition - Mohamed is the example of how to apply said definition.
Much of the Sunnah is fabricated specifically to make the Quran comprehensible.
It defines Islam as much if not more than the Quran.
Whether you think it should or not is largely irrelevant to the reality.
The bible didn't exist for the purpose of creating Christianity, it took a counsel to do that 3 centuries later, so we agree on that.
Your knowledge of the evolution of the Bible is somewhat lacking too
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