According to Baha'i sources, there is far too many writings for anyone to be familiar with it all. But I digress. In Canada, we're called provinces, and there are very few Bahais around here. But perhaps one day I will go check it out.
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What exactly do Baha'is mean by "Independent Investigation of the Truth"?
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According to Baha'i sources, there is far too many writings for anyone to be familiar with it all. But I digress. In Canada, we're called provinces, and there are very few Bahais around here. But perhaps one day I will go check it out.
Hi, I hope you will enjoy your whole journey to Israel and all in between.
We are great travellers as well, you know. We go to Gravesend every boxing Day to see Mrs Badgers folks, that's a whole 35 miles up the road!
We are enjoying the experience, All the best to you both.
Regards Tony
As Adrian said, it is up to you to choose.
I would ask if you do choose to look into if there is or is not a deception, what would you think if you found out there was not, would it have not been best to find out first?
Regards Tony
spirit_of_dawn
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Those are two of Baha'u'llah's well known writings, however "They are not from the Baha'i writings" says someone who has not investigated Baha'ism independently and instead has relied on cherry picked quotes provided to him by the UHJ masters. So if I prove that those are from the Baha'i writings will you recant your faith or do we expect the same: "those are metaphors" or some other funny justification?
As for the quotes:
"If today, someone grasps all of the knowledge on earth but stops at the word ‘yes’ (meaning does not become a Baha’i), the Lord will not pay attention to him (ladī l-Ḥaqq madhkūr na) and he will be considered as the most ignorant amongst the people." (Baha’u’llah, Iqtidarat wa chand lauḥ digar, p. 111)
Here is a link to complete scan of that book:
Iqtidarat and other Tablets by Baha'u'llah
You can find the quote on the tenth line of page 111
As for the second quote:
"From now on nobody is to be called knowledgeable, except those who have decorated themselves with the garment of this New Affair (meaning those who have become Baha’is)" (Baha’u’llah, Badi`, pp. 138–139.)
you can find the book here:
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/baha/A-F/B/badi/Kitab-i_Badi.pdf
The quote starts on the last line of page 138 and ends on the first line of page 139.
If you believed an iota in the Independent Investigation of the Truth, you would find some someone who understands both Persian and Arabic to translate those quotes for you. The quotes use Persian grammar but follow the same in-eloquent form of Baha'u'llah's prose where he is supposedly speaking in Persian but uses far too many Arabic words in the statements.
As I said, the writings you reference are not part of the Baha'i writings.
Eventually all works of Baha'u'llah will be translated into English. In the mean time an opportunity exists for those who are hostile to the Baha'i Faith such as Juan Cole to produce their own translations and anyone else who feels the same way.
This Juan Cole seems to have been a Bahai himself for many years from 1972 to 1996, so pretty much an insider.
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If the available Baha'i writings are so vast, and they are, why do critics need to resort to translations used by known opponents of the Baha'i Faith.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Lol.
It was such a ridiculous statement it was pointless responding. It least it made the OPs intent clear.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Was Juan Cole Hostile to Bahai? Or did Bahai become Hostile to Juan?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Because they have so little trust in the Bahai ones.
Hey, you were a copper. There are three sides to every story....his side, her side and what really happened.
Of course they do.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Never was. I worked for defence solicitors quite often, though.
That's mankind for you. But some folks here think that the Bahai story is not what really happened.
Sen McGlinn
Member
But this is not authentic Abdu'l-Baha. It's from a newspaper report of what an interpreter said Abdu'l-Baha had said, and it's quite possible that the reporters' account was polished by a copy editor or the editor.
"What is a Bahá'í?" asked one of the reporters.
"To be a Bahá'í simply means to love all the world, to love humanity and try to serve it; to work for Universal Peace, and the Universal Brotherhood," replied 'Abdu'l-Bahá.
(Star of the West - 3.3.4, April 28, 1912, report by Wendell Philips Dodge)
I have discussed this report on my Bahai Studies blog,
To be a Bahai: the recollections of Wendell Phillips Dodge
Abdu'l-Baha himself corrected some of the chapters including chapter 5.
When communication with Palestine was reopened after the war, I wrote to ‘Abdu’l-Bahá and enclosed a copy of the first nine chapters of the book, which was then almost complete in rough draft. I received a very kind and encouraging reply, and a cordial invitation to visit Him in Haifa and bring the whole of my manuscript with me. The invitation was gladly accepted, and I had the great privilege of spending two and a half months as the guest of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá during the winter of 1919–1920. During this visit ‘Abdu’l-Bahá discussed the book with me on various occasions. He gave several valuable suggestions for its improvement and proposed that, when I had revised the manuscript, He would have the whole of it translated into Persian so that He could read it through and amend or correct it where necessary. The revisal and translation were carried out as suggested, and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá found time, amid His busy life, to correct some three and a half chapters (Chapters 1, 2, 5 and part of 3) before He passed away. It is a matter of profound regret to me that ‘Abdu’l-Bahá was not able to complete the correction of the manuscript, as the value of the book would thereby have been greatly enhanced. The whole of the manuscript has been carefully revised, however, by a committee of the National Bahá’í Assembly of England, and its publication approved by that Assembly.
Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era | Bahá’í Reference Library
You sure it wasn't prosecution? What was your role?
That is plain to see. The Baha'i Faith is on trial and stands accused of deception.
I already know there is deception. That part is obvious.
The Bhagavad Gita has at least 50 translations, probably more. They vary a ton. Many, especially in commentary, have sectarian biases. There are translations by Christians, by advaitins, by Gaudiya Vaishnavites, by scholars, by atheists, etc. People have debates over which ones are more accurate, or true intent. It's not a problem for me. Of course some people do get their emotions rattled over other translations. That's the case here, on both sides. You're a Baha'i, obviously you'll like and promote Baha'i translations. It's a free country, and a translator can translate however he/she sees fit. Limiting other translations is just censorship.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Several roles produced an income.
Commercial Detective and Process Server. (Not Private, I only worked for companies and solicitors)
Security Industry Authority registered trainer for door supervisors, cctv operators, commercial and retail guards.
Specialised store detective and Test Purchase trainer.
I prefer my present job...... retired.... don't have to go all over Britain every week. Mrs Badger much happier.
Yes.
You need a very good RF Barrister.