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Featured What does the Bible say about the origins of the Earth in relation to what science say?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SA Huguenot, Jul 1, 2019.

  1. shmogie

    shmogie Well-Known Member

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    I said, nor suggested any such thing. I said if true, it was problematic that a tree could be fossilized in two different strata with millions of years separating the alleged ages of the strata.

    Apparently you see no problem with this, fine.

    Don´t attribute to me things I never said.
     
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    shmogie Well-Known Member

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    What more needed to be said ?
     
  3. Wandering Monk

    Wandering Monk Well-Known Member

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    Did you say this or not? It is patently not true.

    As for multistrate tree fossils, I asked you for your source, last line of post 295.
     
  4. Subduction Zone

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    Where do you think that that is observed? Creationists often make the error of assuming that all deposition had to occur at the same rate. Some layers were deposited very slowly, some at a much more rapid rate, and it is relatively easy to understand why the rates are different for different environments. The so called "polystrate" trees are not polystrate since technically theyare found in one stratum.

    Trees can stand for hundreds of years today without falling:

    Ghost forest - Wikipedia

    All it takes for them to eventually fossilize is a continued sea level rise or depression of land. Both have known to occur from natural processes. No magic needed.

    Some of the stumps found in ghost forests can be up to 2,000 years old You appear to hate the derision that others respond with to your posts, but if all that you have are PRATT's then that derision is well earned.
     
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    Ironically many of the articles from creationists on "polystrate trees" rely on illustrations from articles over 100 years ago explaining how they formed naturally.
     
  6. shmogie

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    Yep, I said it, it says nothing about fossil age determining geology age. That came from your imagination.

    Did you not read ¨ I once read an article¨ ? Does that imply to you that I have the information right at my fingertips ? Dd you not read the caveat ¨if true¨ ? Obviously, I wasn´t pushing the idea as absolute fact, calm down.

    What is patently not true ?

    Be precise when you are calling someone a liar.
     
  7. Subduction Zone

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    One should not make one's claims that one cannot support. One ends up looking like a liar when one does so. Too bad that you tend to rely on sources that were written by liars, or idiots. If you want a serious discussion on how we know the age of strata I can go over a short history of the development of geologic dating. Why we know it is accurate and how it refutes the flood myth.
     
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    Look at Bishop Ussher's calculations and tell us where he is wrong. If you can't, then you must agree with ~6000 years.
     
  9. Wandering Monk

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    My apologies. I read the exact reverse of what you said.

    We often hear YECs saying that you can't trust geologic dating because it is circular. I thought that was what you were suggesting.
     
  10. shmogie

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    No problem !!
     
  11. shmogie

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    No problem !!
     
  12. Subduction Zone

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    You may not accept the false claims of "polystrate trees" but that still does not explain this quote of yours:

    "Since the alleged age of the geology determines fossil age, determining the age of geology is critical. Sometimes the stated age of the geology doesn´t seem right.."

    Why use the highly prejudicial term "alleged"? Do you treat an "alleged" killer that way after he has been found guilty? Geologic dates very rarely rely on only one test. Scientists like claims to be supported by several independent sources. How does the geology not seem right?
     
  13. Audie

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    The account is no more true than is the Cardiff Giant
    or the Paluxy Man Tracks. There is something wrong
    but it is with the integrity and motives of those
    who get into such ignoble activities and claims.

    There are uncertainties in any science but geologists are not
    stupid.

    That fossils range in age from " buried yesterday"
    to hundreds of millions of years old is not open
    to reasonable doubt.

    In the event, whether said specimen is
    120 or 130 million years old is of technical
    interest to paleontologists looking to better
    understand its role in the ecosystem of
    the day, and position in evolution, it is only
    a matter of interest, not an existential
    matter re the whole meaning of reality.

    Our yecs feel that a date older than their flood
    or 6 day poof is a threat, possibly a heinous lie
    from Satan.

    If btw you enjoy driving about and viewing
    the land, even a little time spent with a book
    of historical geology will do wonders to make
    the landscape come alive.

    And get a most enjoyable book called
    "Basin and Range" by a John McPhee.

    If he does not get you going on thinking about
    the what and how you are seeing I will be so
    surprised.

    This is a gift I am offering! Plz take it.
     
  14. Audie

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    Oh now dont be get bentoutta shape over semantics as
    you view them. "Alleged" is as defanged as "awesome',
    and for that matter, "admit" long ago quit being used
    to mean "reluctantly confess".
     
  15. BilliardsBall

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    Jesus's fave title for Himself, "Son of David". They were removed by 14 generations!

    MANY scholars have noted the "sons" of the OT could be "notable descendants". Bishop Usher's work has been in disrepute for a century!
     
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  16. Wandering Monk

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    Except if you look at the lineages of the people mentioned in Jesus' genealogy, the NT leaves people out.

    The probable reason that the NT settles on 14 generations is that the name 'David' has a numerical value of 14 in the Hebrew language. It was just more mystical story telling.
     
  17. ecco

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    "Sons" can be notable descendants. But the bible uses the term "begat".
    6And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
    9And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
    12And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:​

    People may try to ignore or argue against Bishop Ussher's work because of the inescapable conclusion it reaches. But, as I stated earlier...Look at Bishop Ussher's calculations and tell us where he is wrong. If you can't, then you must agree with ~6000 years.

    Alternatively, you could just admit that the Biblical genealogies are just fantasies like the rest of the Bible.
     
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  18. A Vestigial Mote

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    Does The Bible go into any details as to why God will no longer create things? I have a good idea why these things might no longer happen, and were never witnessed by anyone in the first place. The easiest answer one can imagine is that it didn't happen as described.
     
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    I wonder if there is any science that can prove the non-existence of God.
    Seem to me your statement is about the premise about the non-existence of God.
     
  20. URAVIP2ME

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    In God's eyes a thousand years is as a day.- Psalms 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8
    So, once Adam sinned No one could live longer than a thousand-year day.
    Thus, Adam died at age 930, and the oldest person at age 969 years - Genesis 5:5; Genesis 5:27

    As far as the ' creative days ' there is Nothing in Scripture to indicate how long each creative day was or even if they are of the same length of time or of differing lengths of time.
    ALL of the creative days are summed up by the singular word ' day ' at Genesis 2:4.
    God's 7th day was still on going in the first century as per Hebrews 4:4-11.​
     
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