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What does 'Jesus' ie Yehoshua being called the word of God mean?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by savagewind, Jan 19, 2013.

  1. Brickjectivity

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    The other gods would be the other voices. The most famous instance was when Israel rejected the leadership of the LORD, so they could have a king like other countries. (I Samuel 8:7) That was how Saul become the first king of Israel. He was a god in competition with the LORD. His was another voice besides the LORD's, and he was the beginning of many problems for Israel. It is a good analogy to the way church people tend to aggregate around strong personalities. Lets say you like pastor Ben, because he's very wise and quiet but your brother likes Adam, because he's always pushing to feed the hungry. At some point you may be put in a position where Adam disagrees with Ben and feel pressured to take one side or the other. At that point you can be sure you are listening to another voice besides the LORD's, because you now have a king.
     
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    The Word is undefiled. The counterfeit words are defiled. Counterfeit means not true.

    The Word is likened to a shepherd. I believe it is appropriate because a shepherd is a person and God is a person, Yehoshua is a person alive and well but in spirit not in the flesh of him.

    Let's just say there is no person of god and no son who is spirit. Let's say what Yehoshua left as man's legacy is a map. Now we have a map with the directions that will lead to "everlasting life" whatever that is. It sounds real good. If a man, many men, or a group of people (of men and women) meddle with the map is the map still good? What if someone changes the directions to everlasting life? My theory is whenever it gets changed it gets ruined for it's purpose.

    The word is a shepherd who is alive. A person does not need to worry about which word is right and which word is wrong. A person just has to ask.
    Luke 11:10 everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened
    James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.
     
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    That is right. But it goes way beyond just personality preferences. A long time ago a man changed the word because it didn't sound right. It did not match his own understanding so he changed it but just a little. It happened many times before and after Christ. Now when someone likes the change it can be said he is listening to the false shepherd.
     
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    You probably just need to hit a punching bag somewhere like a hundred times, and you'll go to heaven. I'm not a punching bag. I'm more like a gooey gel that grows whenever it touches anything, like a slime mold with a mutant healing factor. You don't want to punch me.
     
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    I have heard people say that their requests for wisdom and understanding have gone unanswered for many years. There are three reasons for it, two reasons seem to be the same or related.

    "Faith is not a possession of all people" and "He who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregation". [someone might not have a spiritual ear to hear it]

    The other reason is the request might be for a wrong reason. The wrong reason might not even be obvious to the one with it.

    "The heart is treacherous, who can know it?"

    I believe all are welcome to hear the good news except for the son of destruction. So if you cannot hear it first ask for faith, an ear and a good reason.

    The Good News is WORDS of understanding. The Word is He who has them.
     
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    A good shepherd has good character and does a good job of shepherding. That is the plumb line of leadership, but a good leader is very rare. A good shepherd may tell you something that isn't true and still be a good shepherd, because its about character not words. You can recognize character, but words can trip you up.

    Take Stalin of the USSR, for instance. He was a bad guy who trapped good people into working for him using some good arguments. His arguments were good, so good people followed him assuming that he was good. Only he wasn't a good man. His arguments gathered people to him, and this gave him political power. Later he killed many of his original supporters. His arguments were terrific and unified his country, but he was not terrific.

    Abraham Lincoln made many mistakes and got many things wrong. He made dirty jokes. His arguments failed to persuade the South to remain in the union. He was a career politician; but people who knew him said he had character. After the civil war he tried to help the people in the South on the losing side, and somebody killed him for it. He was a good shepherd.
     
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    Sorry. I can not believe that because a person is a good man it means he is a righteous man.

    Also I have observed that the command "do not judge or you will be judged" is taken to heart by some as do not judge someone guilty but does it say that? I am sure it also means do not judge innocence either. God is Judge.
     
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    Does anyone else believe Christ is called The Word so that we know to listen to what HE says?
     
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    Quite right I'm sure! Perhaps in time my disagreement will change.
     
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    I don't understand what that means. What is your disagreement?
     
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    Abraham Lincoln...
    "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone Mark 10:18
    Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save Psalm 146:3
    It is better to take refuge in Yahweh, than to put confidence in man. Psalm 118;8

    See these? Is the Word true? People are making men more true than these.
     
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    Its not always possible to determine where two people disagree, because not everything can be clarified at this time. "For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears." I Corinthians 13:9

    "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep." John 10:11
    Abraham Lincoln was killed for doing the right thing. Day after day he walked the same street at the same time of day without a body guard in a period immediately following a civil war. You see Jesus replying to the Pharisees by saying "Why do you call me good?" He does call himself a good shepherd, however. Apparently it is not idolatrous to call him a good shepherd who lays down his life for the sheep. It is not necessary, however, for us to always agree since not everything is always clear.
     
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    "Jesus" is called the word of God because he was sent as a living, breathing example of how to live by Gods word (his laws and statutes) He was sent here to show us how to live righteously by obeying the word of the Most High.
     
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    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    God has no beginning and end.
    In the beginning was the Word. When it says 'in the beginning' the word is first manifestation of God.It has the beginning and probably and end. We can compare this with the matter which was like tip of a needle at the time of the big bang. With the big bang started the evolution of the universe or multi-verse. So in the beginning was this word of God, the primal energy of God that has been evolving into different levels of creatures. All the universes that we see were already there in that primal energy and all the future energies were also there at the beginning.We were all there in that Word of God.We were all created when the Word began.
    The Word was with God:to be with God means to be different from God,to be separate from God but to be dependent on God.
    The Word was God: Ultimately it is one with God. When the creation dissolves itself it goes back God and realizes one with God.

    Jesus who began his journey as an individual realized that he was the Word of God. He was with God in the beginning and he was also one with God. As the Word of God he saw the whole of creation as his manifestation. Hence the Word is the seed from which the whole of creation comes and to which it returns. Jesus realized this truth. Just as the scientists were able to penetrate to the beginning of the universe 15 billions years ago, so also the consciousness of Jesus penetrated into the source of creation and even with oneness with God. St.John also might have been blessed with this vision so that he was to write these wonderful words. It seems to be that St.Paul was also blessed with this vision. Let us listen to his in the letter to the Ephesians and the Colosians. St.Paul's letter to the Ephesians chapter 1.


    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
    4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
    5 Having predestined us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
    6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
    7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
    8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
    9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
    10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
    11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
    12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
    13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
    14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

    And in the letter to the Colosians:
    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
    18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
    19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
    20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven

    Hence the Word of God is the source of the whole of creation. Everything comes from it and everything goes to it. All that scriptures and all religions come from it but no scripture or no religion can exhaust it.
    In Hinduism it is called Hiranya Garbha or the word 'OM'.

     
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    I believe the Word is God's intelligence in action. God says let there be light and there is light. It is also the communication with creation and particularly intelligent beings to whom He states "Verily I say unto you."
     
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    Word means physical manifestation of energy.

    Therefore Jesus is the physical manifestation of God.

    God is the Electron.

    Jesus is the Neutron.

    God is infinite

    Jesus is finite

    God has no beginning and no end.

    Jesus is the beginning and the end.

    There is no end, God's love is eternal.
     
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    I'm a bit more curious about what "'Jesus' ie Yehoshua" means.

    It's almost as if the author is saying (or at least suggesting):
    I'm not simply part of the unwashed, ignorant masses here. See, I even know his real name!​
    But, then, should it not actually read ...
    Just curious. :)
     
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    Hello my friend! I am as certain as can be that the message of the Bible has become seriously distorted. It is now time to untwist it. People won't. We have all the tools we need to do it but status quo reigns. What is the name of the king of status quo imo? 'Jesus'. God help me if I am "part of the masses".
     
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    I'm sorry, but (a) I choose my friends, and (b) your certitude -- you of "'Jesus' ie Yehoshua" fame -- strikes me as more than a little underwhelming. :)
     
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    LOL You are so very predicable
     
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