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What does Islam believe about Jesus' Ressurection?

Discussion in 'Islam DIR' started by Gilly, Jun 15, 2004.

  1. Gilly

    Gilly New Member

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    I just learned that Islam reconizes Jesus, But what do you believe about his ressurection? I'm just looking for a simple answer, I'm just curious. thank you in advance..
     
  2. anders

    anders Well-Known Member

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    According to the Holy Qur'an, Jesus (pbuh) didn't die on the cross. Surah 4:157 reads "... But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, But so it was made To appear to them ..." (interpretation by A. Yusuf Ali.)
     
  3. The Shield of Islam

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    We muslims dont believe Jesus (pbuh ) was crucified, we believe the jews got the wrong man.

    Here you can have more information:

    http://www.jamaat.net/jforum/viewforum.php?f=3
     
  4. Apple Pie

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    Greetings All,

    In reality, the Koran confirms the following regarding Jesus:

    1) He was worshiped as God
    2) He is God
    3) He was Crucified
    4) He was Resurrected
    5) He will judge the Dead


    All of this, incidentally, can be found nice and neat in Sura 86….

    Thanks…
     
  5. arabian_knight1

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    By the name of God most Gracious most Merciful

    Wow what a fantasy!!

    First of all I wanna say that (Apple Pie) your not suppose to answer if your not a Moslem because this is a learning forum of the Islamic Religion


    suppose you don't care then you should have evidence

    could you please quote something from Surat Al tarek which you clamed to have all this !!

    even though I think that I should NOT be answering you cuz this is NOT a debating forum, but I'm curious to know how good your fantasy stories are



    peace upon those who pray for guidance
     
  6. DontFearMe

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    1) He was worshiped as God

    Well no one can deny that christians were worshipping Jesus as God. However Jesus says this: 3:51 "'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"

    2) He is God

    And the Quran says about this: 3:59: The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

    3) He was Crucified

    And the quran also says: 4:157: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him

    4) He was Resurrected

    Quran also says: 4:158: Nay, Allah raised him (Jesus) up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. So considering he wasnt crucified as shown in the last point, he obviously was never resurrected.

    5) He will judge the Dead

    Quran also says: 40.20: And Allah judges with the truth; and those whom they call upon besides Him cannot judge aught; surely Allah is the Hearing, the Seeing.

    So now I've cleared up the position of Jesus in the Quran. He was only a messenger. :clap:
     
  7. anders

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    Apple Pie,
    The sura 86, Tariq, "The Night-Visitant" or, as some write, "The Morning Star", has not a single word that can be taken as a reference to Jesus or any mentioning of anything of what you claim. In the 26 Qur'an verses in which, according to my concordance, Jesus is mentioned by name, there is nothing that supports your points. I checked them all, in more than one interpretation in more than one language, and in the original Arabic. I also looked at some instances of Maryam in the genetive, to cover any mentioning of Mary's son without the name.

    In my previous post, I showed that your items 3 and 4 are wrong. Regarding 1, if the Qur'an would say that Jesus (pbuh) was worshiped as God (but I have found no such verse), that would be a statement of what non-Muslims did, and has nothing to do with belief in Islam. Towards your 2, I quote 5:19 "In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ". According to 5:119 Jesus (pbuh)emphatically denies having claimed to be God, and also in 43:64 He says "For Allah, He is my Lord..."; and also in 61:6.

    As far as I can tell, there is nothing to substantiate your claims. If you still think otherwise, please give the correct surah and verse number, and your interpretation. In all probability, you can't find even one word in the Qur'an supporting your views.
     
  8. Apple Pie

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    الطَّارِقُ “alttariqi”

    SURA 86 THE NIGHT COMER/ONE WHO KNOCKS/MORNING STAR


    86:1 وَالسَّمَاءِ وَالطَّارِقِ
    Waalssama-i waalttariqi

    And/by the heaven/raised/highest/name/attribute, and/by the Night Comer/One who knocks/Morning Star.


    86:2 [وَمَا أَدْرَكَ مَا الطَّارِقُ
    Wama adraka ma alttariqu

    And what made you know/informed you what the Night Comer/One who knocks/Morning Star is?



    86:3 النَّجْمُ الثَّاقِبُ
    Alnnajmu alththaqibu

    The rising star/planet, the piercing brightness/penetrating.



    86:4 إِنْ كُلُّ نَفْسٍ لَمَّا عَلَيْهَا حَافِظٌ
    In kullu nafsin lamma AAalayha hafithun

    That truly all/everyone soul/spirit/punishment/blood to gather on it a protector/safe keeper.



    86:5 فَلْيَنظُرْ الْإِنسَنُ مِمَّ خُلِقَ
    Falyanthuri al-insanu mimma khuliqa

    So the human/mankind has an intimate connection should expect/consecrate from that which he was created.



    86:6 خُلِقَ مِنْ مَاءٍ دَافِقٍ
    Khuliqa min ma-in dafiqin

    He was created from water pouring/jetting/flowing forcefully.



    86:7 يَخْرُجُ مِنْ بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَائِبِ
    Yakhruju min bayni alssulbi waalttara-ibi

    He comes out/emerges/appears from between the backbone/loins/spine and the breast bone/rib bones.



    86:8 إِنَّهُ عَلَى رَجْعِهِ لَقَادِرٌ
    Innahu AAala rajAAihi laqadirun

    When His (is) upon/near/above He returned/was brought back the one who has power over.



    86:9 يَوْمَ تُبْلَى السَّرَائِرُ
    Yawma tubla alssara-iru

    A day/time all secrets/intentions be tested/exposed/will turn to its reality.



    86:10 فَمَا لَهُ مِنْ قُوَّةٍ وَلَا نَاصِرٍ
    Fama lahu min quwwatin wala nasirin

    So that no strength/power from and nor helper/savior for him.



    86:11 وَالسَّمَاءِ ذَاتِ الرَّجْعِ
    Waalssama-i thati alrrajAAi

    And/by the Heaven that of the return/repeat.



    86:12 وَالْأَرْضِ ذَاتِ الصَّدْعِ
    Waal-ardi thati alssadAAi

    And/by the entire Earth that of the splitting/separation/geological rift-fault line.



    86:13 إِنَّهُ لَقَوْلٌ فَصْلٌ
    Innahu laqawlun faslun

    When His word (of) Judgment.



    86:14 وَمَا هُوَ بِالْهَزْلِ
    Wama huwa bialhazli

    And that He (is not) in vain.



    86:15 إِنَّهُمْ يَكِيدُونَ كَيْدًا
    Innahum yakeedoona kaydan

    When they devise a scheme.



    86:16 وَأَكِيدُ كَيْدًا
    Waakeedu kaydan

    And I devise and accomplish.



    86:17 فَمَهِّلْ الْكَفِرِينَ أَمْهِلْهُمْ رُوَيْدًا
    Famahhili alkafireena amhilhum ruwaydan

    So respite gently all the disbelievers, respite them gently for a little while.





    Integrated Summary and Conclusion of the Sura title & ayahs 1-17:

    1) The Sura title, “alttariqi” unites the following three aspects: One who comes at night; One who knocks; Morning Star
    2) Ayah 1 begins by acknowledging and joining all “al” aspects of heaven “ssama” and all “al” aspects of “ttariqi”
    3) This sets the stage for the rest of the Sura
    4) Ayah 2 asks how you came to the knowledge of “alttariqi”
    5) Thus, the premise has been established that “alttariqi” is already known



    Since the identity of “alttariqi” is already known; let’s look at its three distinguishing aspects…

    The three aspects of “alttariqi”:

    1) One who comes at night…

    But know this, that if the housemaster had known in what watch the thief comes, he would have watched and not have allowed his house to be dug through. Because of this, you also be ready, for in that hour you think not, the Son of Man comes. (Mat 24:43-44)

    But know this, that if the house-master had known the hour the thief is coming, he would have watched and would not have allowed his house to be dug through. And you, then, be ready; for in the hour you think not, the Son of Man comes. (Luke 12:39-40)

    For you yourselves know accurately that the day of the Lord, as a thief in the night, so it comes. For when they say, Peace and safety! Then suddenly destruction comes upon them, like the travail to the one having babe in womb, and not at all shall they escape. But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you as a thief. (1 Th 5:2-4)

    But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with rushing sound, and having burned the elements will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be burned up. (2Pe 3:10)

    Then remember how you received and heard, and keep, and repent. If, then, you do not watch, I will come upon you like a thief and you will not at all know what hour I come upon you. (Rev 3:3)

    Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is the one watching and keeping his garments, that he does not walk naked, and they may see his shame. (Rev 16:15)




    2) One who knocks…

    Behold, I stand at the door and knock: If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will enter to him, and I will dine with him, and he with Me. (Rev 3:20)




    3) Morning Star…

    And I will give to him the Morning Star. (Rev 2:28 )

    I, Jesus, sent My angel to testify these things to you over the assemblies. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright and morning Star. (Rev 22:16)



    Jesus completely fulfills all of these requirements…

    Thus, from the very initial premise of this Sura, we have a confirmation that this Sura is referring to Jesus.




    6) Ayah 3 describes “alttariqi” as a rising star/planet having piercing brightness


    In whom the god of this age has blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, so that the brightness of the gospel of the glory of Christ who is the image of God, should not dawn on them. (2Co 4:4)

    Because it is God who said, "Out of darkness Light shall shine," who shone in our hearts to give the brightness of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. Isa. 42:6, 7, 16 (2Co 4:6)

    And then "the Lawless One" will be revealed, "whom" "the Lord" "will consume" "by the spirit of His mouth," and will bring to nought by the brightness of His presence. Isa. 11:4 (2Th 2:8 )

    Because of this, He says, Arise, sleeping ones and stand up out of the dead ones, and Christ will shine on you. (Eph 5:14)


    Jesus completely fulfills this aspect…



    7) Ayah 4 further elaborates on “alttariqi” proclaiming that ALL souls gather on it as a guardian
    8 ) This gathering of spirits involves a punishment
    9) This punishment involves blood
    10) Ayah 5 is directly linked to ayah 4 by the sequence marker “fa” on “lyanthuri” proclaiming that not only do ALL souls gather on it as a guardian, but mankind has an intimate connection with “alttariqi”
    11) This intimate connection, from which mankind is created is sacred/consecrated
    12) To consecrate is to devote irrevocably to the worship of God
    13) Ayah 6 expands upon ayah 5 and tells us from what mankind was created
    14) The water “ma-in” in ayah 6 is described as large in quantity by the root “maha”, which means to hold much water
    15) The large volume of water is in motion; pouring/jetting/flowing forcefully
    16) Comparing all of the Koranic fluid-based “creation” passages, clearly shows that Sura 86 is not referring to creation via an emitted drop “nutfah”, nor is it referring to creation via stagnant, insignificant water
    17) The “creation” of man spoken of in this Sura is unique from everything else mentioned in the entire Koran
    18 ) Both Blood and Water have been mentioned
    19) Ayah 7 tells us from where mankind was “created”
    20) It describes the source of the water “ma-in” that is in motion
    21) This source of the water comes from “between the backbone/loins/spine and the breast bone/rib bones
    22) “alssulbi” which is rendered backbone/loins/spine, comes from the root “salaba/saliba”, which means TO PUT TO DEATH BY CRUCIFIXION,
    23) Furthermore, investigating all the Koranic passages dealing with the crucifixion, trace their origins back to the roots “salaba/saliba”
    24) The definite article “al” in addition to signifying all aspects of a subject, can also be used to denote something which has already been mentioned or a concept of which is in the mind of the reader or writer
    25) This water is described as coming from the human anatomy
    26) This water, from which mankind is created, comes from “alttariqi”
    27) “alttariqi” has been given human attributes
    28 ) This is the Crucifixion of “alttariqi”



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    But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a lance, and at once blood and water came out. (John 19:34)

    This is the One coming through water and blood, Jesus Christ; not by the water only, but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the One witnessing, because the Spirit is the truth. (1John 5:6)

    And there are three who bear witness on the earth: The Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three are to the one. (1John 5:8 )



    Jesus is the one worshiped as God, Crucified, and the one whom mankind is created….through water and blood…



    29) Ayah 8 then tells us that “alttariqi” is near or upon
    30) He, “alttariqi”, alone returned/was brought back “rajAAihi”
    31) “rajAAihi” is masculine, singular
    32) “alttariqi” is the one who “has power over”
    33) This is the Resurrection of “alttariqi”



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    Even from Jesus Christ the Faithful Witness, the First-born out of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him loving us and washing us from our sins by His blood, (Rev 1:5)

    "Behold, He comes with the clouds," and "every eye will see Him, and the ones who pierced" Him, and all the tribes of the earth "will wail on account of Him." Yes, Amen. Dan. 7:13; Zech. 12:10 (Rev 1:7)





    34) Ayah 9 tells us that a day/time will come when our secrets “"ssara-iru” will be known for what they are.
    35) According to the root “sarra”, this will be a joyous event (for the ones who have put their faith in “alttariqi”)
    36) This is the Day of Judgment
    37) This Day of Judgment is governed by “alttariqi”
    38 ) Ayah 10 is directly connected to the ayah before and after it by the sequence marker “fa”
    39) The Day of Judgment, which is a joyous time for the ones mentioned in ayah 9, is not so for the ones mentioned in ayah 10
    40) These people do not have the benefit of strength/power “quwwatin” from “The Savior” “nasirin” which is “alttariqi”
    41) “Nasirin” is singular
    42) This singular nature has been given to “alttariqi”
    43) “Alttariqi” has been given the attribute of savior



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    44) Ayah 11 tells of the Eschatological demise of the heavens in which it will be returned (rolled up like a scroll)

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    Koranic support scripture…

    The fright/terror the greatest/biggest does not sadden/make them grievous, and the angels receive/meet them (and they are told): "This (is) your day/time which you are being promised." A day/time We fold/coil the sky/space as/like the record/register book's folding/coiling to the books/scriptures (print); as/like We began/initiated (the) first/beginning creation, We repeat/return it, a promise on Us, We were making/doing (it). (21:103-104)

    And they did not evaluate/estimate Allah, His correct/true evaluation/estimation, and the earth/Planet Earth all/all together (on) the Resurrection Day (is in) His hand hold/grasp , and the skies/space (are) folded/rolled at/by His right, His praise/glory about what they share/make partners (with Him). (39:67)



    Compare to the Holy Bible…

    And I saw when He opened the sixth seal. And behold, a great earthquake occurred. And the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair; and the moon became as blood; and the stars of the heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree being shaken by a great wind casts its unripe figs. And the heaven departed like a scroll being rolled up. And every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (Rev 6:12-14)




    45) Ayah 12 continues with the Eschatological demise of the earth in which it will be split into pieces (earthquake)

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    Koranic support scripture…

    You, you the people, fear and obey your Lord, that the Hour's/Resurrection's shaking/rumbling/moving (is) a great thing. (22:1)

    When/if the earth/Planet Earth trembled and quaked, trembling and quaking. And the mountains were crumbled/scattered, crumbling/scattering. (56:4-5)


    Here is an Entire Sura named Earthquake….

    SURA 99 THE SHAKEN/TREMBLED/EARTHQUAKE

    When/if the earth/Planet Earth shook/trembled its shaking/trembling/earthquake. (99:1)



    Compare to the Holy Bible…

    And I saw when He opened the sixth seal. And behold, a great earthquake occurred. And the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair; and the moon became as blood; (6:12)

    And in that hour a great earthquake occurred, and the tenth part of the city fell. And there were killed in the earthquake seven thousand names of men. And the rest became terrified, and gave glory to the God of Heaven. (Rev 11:13)

    And the temple of God in Heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple, and lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and a great hail occurred. (Rev 11:19)

    And voices and thunders and lightnings occurred. And a great earthquake occurred, such as did not occur since man came into being on the earth, such a huge earthquake, so great! And the great city came to be into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give to her the cup of the wine of the anger of His wrath. (Rev 16:18-19)




    46) Ayah 13 tells us that “alttariqi” will judge with His WORD
    47) Ayah 14 continues, and tells us that this Judgment is not in vain
    48 ) Once again, this Judgment comes from “huwa” or “He”, which is masculine, singular
    49) Ayah 15 tells of the plotting & scheming of the people
    50) Ayah 16 informs us that “alttariqi” devises and accomplishes a plan of His own
    51) The singularity of “alttariqi” is reinforced by the usage of “akeedu”
    52) Ayah 17 is tied-in with the previous ayah by the sequence conjunction “fa”
    53) “Alttariqi” gives respite (a period of temporary delay) to all the disbelievers


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    Notice that اللَّهِ “allah” is never mentioned anywhere in ayahs 1 -17.

    The Sura title, all by itself, tells us who this Sura is about.

    This Sura is completely, totally, and utterly about Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.

    It is beyond ANY reasonable doubt…


    Amen
     
  9. DontFearMe

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    Applepie, it is quite amusing how you refused to address the various verses I gave you from the Quran repeatingly declaring that Jesus is not God and what have you. So my questin is, do you have something to hide by not addressing those verses I provided for you? And did anyone understand that funky translation that applepie provided? I've never seen such mumbo jumbo in any english translation. Here you go:

    By the Sky and the Night-Visitant (therein);-

    And what will explain to thee what the Night-Visitant is?-

    (It is) the Star of piercing brightness

    There is no soul but has a protector over it.

    Now let man but think from what he is created!

    He is created from a drop emitted

    Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:

    Surely ((Allah)) is able to bring him back (to life)!

    The Day that (all) things secret will be tested

    (Man) will have no power, and no helper

    By the Firmament which returns (in its round),

    And by the Earth which opens out (for the gushing of springs or the sprouting of vegetation

    Behold this is the Word that distinguishes (Good from Evil):

    It is not a thing for amusement.

    As for them, they are but plotting a scheme,

    And I am planning a scheme.

    Therefore grant a delay to the Unbelievers: Give respite to them gently (for awhile).

    This is the translation from Yusuf Ali. Now this is a lot easier to read for everyone. Now, can you please respond to the verses I posted in my previous reply?
     
  10. arabian_knight1

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    Applepie


    One thing you don't get

    how on earth do you refer to your Bible to explain to me what my religious book says

    first of all if I believe that your Bible ( tha you have in your hands in present days) is the word of God then I wouldn't be a Moslem so you CAN NOT refer to it to explain anything


    secondly

    if I believe that Jesus PBUH fulfills all this I wouldn't be a Moslem
    read my article about Jesus PBUH to know more about Jesus in Islam be4 arguing
    you can also read my brothers' article (shield of Islam)( brother in Islam)
    on what we believe about Jesus PBUH

    then you can argue from our own speach if you can....... I doubt it ;)


    DON'T argue anymore in this forum start a new thread in the debates forum and we'll be happy to argue there


    peace on those who pray for guidance
     
  11. Apple Pie

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    Greetings arabian_knight1,

    Thanks for your comments…


    The scriptures are self-explanatory…for those that choose to study them in their original languages…





    If you choose to deny what your Koran clearly states; it then becomes a personal decision on your part…




    Who’s arguing….?


    Thanks…
     
  12. arabian_knight1

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    Sure I deny something, but definitely not what my Qu'ran states as you claimed

    I deny the usage of a book that I don't believe to be true in the explanation


    you see !!

    you're using the Bible to prove that Jesus fulfills what the Quran says

    but does the Qu'ran say Jesus PBUH or Essa any where in that Sura ?? off course not because it's talking about GOD Allah not Jesus PBUH
     
  13. DontFearMe

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    funny how applepie cant respond to my points. lol. typical. I know more about the koran than u do apple. dont try steppin up
     
  14. Apple Pie

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    Greetings arabian_knight1,

    Thanks for your reply…


    The source of the Koran is the Holy Bible…at least, the authors of the Koran thought so…

    This is beyond any reasonable doubt…why do you still deny?






    Thanks for acknowledging this fact…




    The Arabic text is crystal clear that the entire Sura revolves around Jesus (God)….unless, of course, you are willing to concede that Allah was Crucified…

    I would be delighted to exegete any ayah in this Sura which may be causing you concern.


    Thanks…
     
  15. Apple Pie

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    Greetings DontFearMe,

    Thanks for your kind remarks…


    And….?




    Well…let’s exegete the ayahs together and we will see which one holds the most truth behind it….thanks…





    With all due respect, my comments regarding Sura 86 were in queue long before your post ever showed up…

    First in….first out…..


    Thanks…
     
  16. arabian_knight1

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    I'm sorry to tell you that you know absolutly nothing about the Qu'ran

    who said that the Bible is the sourse of the Holy Qu'ran ?????
    I dare you to get one Moslem that say that


    where does the Sura talk about crucifixion

    maybe I should learn my original language again to see that lol
     
  17. Apple Pie

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    Greetings arabian_knight1,

    Thanks for your reply…

    Does this mean that you don’t want to exegete this Sura together?



    The Koran…




    Done...






    Ayahs 4 through 7…





    As you wish...



    Thanks…
     
  18. anders

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    Apple Pie,

    The reason why I and DontFearMe quote A. Yusuf Ali is that his interpretation is one of the most respected ones, although according to Muslims, no translation/interpretation can be equal to the Arabic text of the Qur'an.

    Is your interpretation yours only, or whom do you quote? That would be really interesting to know. It should be obvious that interpreting one holy book using another holy book can only be misleading, especially as your interpretation contradicts the very words of the Qur'an, for example in 4:157.

    I agree with you in one thing only. The texts should preferably be studied in their original languages. For OT studies, I use the Hebrew text, aided by several Bible translations into many languages. For the NT, I read my many Bibles and compare them to a parallell version in Latin and Greek. When I read the Qur'an, I use the Arabic text but compare my impression with several translations into (currently) three other languages, even if some of them are made by Christians out to show that the Qur'an is erroneous. Not even those hint at something like your version.

    Your statement "The source of the Koran is the Holy Bible…at least, the authors of the Koran thought so…" is a misunderstanding as well. The Muslim view is that all the three Abrahamic religions were given the Qur'an, but the Jews and Christians distorted it.

    DontFearMe quoted the Qur'an 40.20 against the statement that Jesus will judge the Dead. I agree, and add that according to Surat-ul-Fatihah, God is the "Master of the day of Judgment". Nobody ever suggested that God would need assistance in this process.
     
  19. arabian_knight1

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    yeah the Holy Qu'ran or Koran (two spellings for the same word)
    you haven't answered my question ??
    who said that the Bible is the source of the Holy Qu'ran




    talk is cheap ..... prove it





    where does it say crucifixion ???

    and as my brothers said please use Yousf Alis translation next time
     
  20. Apple Pie

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    Greetings anders,

    Thanks for your comments…

    If you truly believed in the Arabic, then you would take the time to see if Yusuf Ali is accurate in his English rendering…..would you not?

    Popularity is not a very accurate indicator of correctness…



    I generally follow the literal rendering of The Koran, Complete Dictionary & Literal Translation, by Mohamed Ahmed.



    Who ever said that it was misleading?




    I am glad to hear that you take the time to study the original languages of the scriptures. This is good.

    However, I have presented my exegesis before you, summarizing the meanings of the Arabic, and there appears to be much reluctance on everyone’s part in exegeting the ayahs together, and verifying for themselves which interpretation holds the most merit.

    I have to wonder why this would be……my exegesis can be verified as truth for anyone willing to invest the time to research the matter for themselves and reference the classic Arabic lexicons…





    Again, is this a view that comes from personal research, or is this what you were told as truth, and have yet to actually verify for yourself as truth…?




    Well…I believe that Sura 86 was in queue before that…right?

    Thanks…
     
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