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Featured What does "an other dimension" means in your understanding?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Amanaki, Feb 15, 2020.

  1. Amanaki

    Amanaki Zhen, Shan, Ren.

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    Here i both look for the scientific and the spiritual understanding of the word dimension.

    When a spiritual person speaks of dimensions it is often about where deities are or other "unseen" beings.

    But in what sense has science found or realized dimensions? except for the 4 dimensions we already know to exist
    What do you think could be found in different dimensions? and why do you think science has not yet discovered them?
     
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  2. Howard Is

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    Everything is already in all dimensions.

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    Having seen the dimensions in my ascension within my NDE, then quantifying them by the world's religions, and physics theories, it is because of the way they function.

    Each dimension works independently, so 1D was Hell, and quantum string theory, 2D was atomic structuring, 3D sounds, it is a progressive layering system, that creates a 10D Matrix, we are inside of.

    Imagine layers of mathematics for a very advanced computer game, that is this reality; each layering of musical coding works independently, to create a universal symphony.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  4. Amanaki

    Amanaki Zhen, Shan, Ren.

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    I fixed the misspelling i had :)
     
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    "The four dimensions of spacetime consist of events that are not absolutely defined spatially and temporally, but rather are known relative to the motion of an observer. Minkowski space first approximates the universe without gravity; the pseudo-Riemannian manifolds of general relativity describe spacetime with matter and gravity. 10 dimensions are used to describe superstring theory (6D hyperspace + 4D), 11 dimensions can describe supergravity and M-theory (7D hyperspace + 4D), and the state-space of quantum mechanics is an infinite-dimensional function space."
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    But if you are searching for "spiritual dimensions", then I can provide no help. That is not part of my belief.
     
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  6. Amanaki

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    A good and honest answer :) Btw I dont search for the spiritual dimensions any more, kind of already found the answer to that already :) But as you know, i am always curious to what others think and believe.
     
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    I figure because we're either too small or too big. Like light, we can only see in a certain spectrum.
     
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    Actually that is a very good answer :) So what do you think happens if we get bigger or smaller? Would that be like going in and out of different dimensions?
     
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    I have plenty of experience of ‘spiritual dimensions’, but that’s not the language I would use.
    Most people seem pretty much unaware that what they call ‘dimensions’ , ‘realities’ and ‘personality’ are neurological states.

    That is not to denigrate the notion of ‘spiritual states’ at all. Nor should ‘spiritual’ people denigrate the brain as ‘merely physical’.
    The brain is miraculous, and what we think of as the conventional reality, and mundane ego, are specific brain states.

    Some of those states have the characteristics religious people think of as divine.
     
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    I remember Neil deGrasse Tyson being asked that question. He pretty much blew it off in terms of science and referred to as a good philosophical discussion.

    I do wonder however if we could get infinitesimally big or infinitesimally small what we would actually see going through the 'layers'. A more down-to-earth thing if we were perchance to shrink ourselves down to the size of an atom for instance, would we say there's life anywhere to be found?

    I'm sure we would see movement and vibration, but no signs of life. But as you grow larger than the atoms , and return back up to the 'level' where we're at. There's life all around us.

    It just gives me pause to say what we will find if we went infinitely small or what we would find if we go infinitely large.

    The thought alone kind of awestrucks me as to the possibilities in a continuum.
     
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    Im not really all that well into dimensions, and not even sure what the definition is suppose to be. There is a mathematical one, but doesn't really seem to be, what you are referring to?

    But for me, I guess its something that exists outside of our time and space, but on a parallel to ours. Without actually knowing what that is really suppose to mean :D

    Besides string theories are there even a need in science for more dimensions, is it used in other theories besides that? (Would be interested to know that, if anyone knows, just our of curiosity?)

    If its not, maybe that could explain why they are not really looking for them, I guess. But also not really sure what they would be useful for in regards to our knowledge or lack there of?
     
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    Other universes. Our universe contains only 4
     
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    The person to give you a proper answer is @Polymath257 for its use in geometry and mathematics more generally. But just until he shows up.....

    .....a point in physical space can be defined in terms of values along 3 spatial dimensions, i.e. 3 independent axes of measurement. Time is a fourth, non-spatial dimension. Famously, relativity uses a 4dimensional conception of physics in which the time dimension and the 3 spatial ones are put on the same footing. There are some speculative models that try to combine quantum theory and relativity (I think) by defining more dimensions. The essence of a dimension in this sense is that it is independent of all the others, at right angles to them all, effectively. In mathematics, there is nothing to stop you defining as many of these as you like, algebraically, even though it is not possible to picture them physically because physical space has only 3.

    In science generally, a dimension is one of the fundamental measurable quantities, including mass, length, time and electric charge, in terms of which all other measurable quantities can be expressed. For example, energy has the dimensions: mass x length squared/time squared, normally written ML²/T². Force has the dimensions ML/T². (Since mechanical work, a form of energy, is force x distance, you can see how this checks out.) Checking the dimensions on both sides of an equation is a good way to verify that you have not gone off the track somewhere in your analysis.

    In sci-fi, people have a tendency to use the mathematical idea of unlimited dimensions to describe alternative universes as being "in another dimension", or some such. This does not really make much sense, since any non-trivial universe, i.e. one with actual objects and actual physics in it, would need several dimensions to measure what was going on in it.

    But I may be describing this badly, so I'll let others have a go.
     
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    These Wiki dimension definitions are mostly pure mathematical and hypothetical speculations. "The four dimensions of spacetime" don´t even speak of dimensions as such but of "location and size of an object" and the "fourth" dimension isn´t a "time dimension" at all, but just "a human description of an object in motion".

    If taking the Universe as such there is just 1 dimension and the formation/creation in this Universe basically takes place via "ionized gas, dust and light".

    We seemingly have 1 physical dimension which we can observe via our somewhat limited physical senses but beyond these, we have spiritual/intuitive senses which is limitless.

    If foremostly using our physical and intellectual senses we tend to speak about a spiritual dimension as "an other dimension" and "afterlife" but in fact, there is no such "other dimension".

    It all depends on awakening and using the spiritual senses and discover that "the coin just has two sides" and One Dimension.
     
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    Lol, I had a vector analysis prof who claimed he could visualize 5 dimensions. He couldn't make us see it however. Lol
     
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    Tacky sci-fi usually...
     
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    “How can we explain this ?”
    “There are Other Dimensions ! “
     
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    I am sure @Polymath257 will be able to explain dimensions mathematically :) So that could explain the science behind how or if there can be found dimensions science do not know of today. Where science is lacking still is in explaining spirituality. But maybe one day they can do.
    If someone can see or even enter other dimensions it is not certain other can see them at the same time. So maybe one have to have different wisdom to see what the physical eyes can not show us? Just an idea
     
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    A distinct and totally different operating force in reality would be a dimension undiscovered. Given the 4 known dimensions are observable, any extra dimensions would neither be observable, nor accountable by the senses. It would have to be something like Plato's world of Forms. You would have to be referring to a conceptual dimension to reality.

    A conceptual dimension would be pure thought and perhaps linked to feelings. It would be very hard existentially to live without the physicality of feelings.

    Or perhaps feelings are part of your extra dimensions.

    When I was a kid, I used to imagine portals from total else existences opening up. Too many cartoons perhaps.

    But now science has MWI in quantum mechanics. So now there is the idea that there are an infinite number of you in world's that break off.
     
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