Sedim Haba
Outa here... bye-bye!
That is not a religion in the classical definition, it is a philosophy. Religions can express themselves in various philosophies, the question remains.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Oh but it can and it does.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, but there are other definitions of religion.
If you google definition of religion and check the top 10 link you will notice that there is no one universal correct definition of religion.
I am postmodern and to me, religion is in effect a worldview. We all have those.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Sedim Haba
Outa here... bye-bye!
Yes, the term itself is vague, but let's stick with the nominal definition of organized religions as are recognized by this forum by having a DIR. Do they or not?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Then even I fit some of the sub-dirs for different religions.
Sedim Haba
Outa here... bye-bye!
OK, you are the outlier, but that does not change the nature of organized religions. With few exceptions, they promote hate and not love, fear above understanding and tolerance. Deny this? Speak for them? I feel not. Hate is the product of 'righteousness' across all faiths and it's endemic.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Being right, is not limited to standard religions. Right and wrong are social constructs not limited to standard religions.
If you mean than the intellect can hamper or prevent one from immersing in self-deception, then yes, I agree with you. If you want to argue that for some people, or for certain circumstances, self-deception may be necessary, I suppose one could make a case for that. I, personally, make an effort to eschew self-deception. How successful I am at that goal may be debatable, but that is my goal regardless.
I will assume that spirit and heart are used metaphorically, in which case I reject the notion that one cannot intellectually understand their emotions and experience them as emotions at the same time. In other words, one can intellectually understand what love is in all the many ways we use that word and still experience (and value) love in all those many uses (and for that matter, fully recognize the potential negative aspects to love in all its varied forms). Intellect, knowledge, understanding, does not make, or turn one into, an unemotional robot.
If spirit is meant in some literal fashion, then I would only say that it is a concept with which I do not agree exists.
If a new song came out and I say, "Wow, I love that song!" and after months of over playing that song I find that my "love" has wanned, is it your position that I never loved the song in the first place?
I'm not sure what your point is here. I think my post was quite clear that I was asserting my subjective opinion on the subject.
I also don't get "Dislike is not intellectual". Are you saying our intellect cannot inform or influence our subjective preferences? If that is the case, I would disagree.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, brain scans show that you can use feelings/emotions alone or in combination with the intellect, but not only the intellect. It connects to the is-ought problem.
So, dislike can use intellect? I guess you need to correct your previous statement.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
But not without feelings/emotions. That is the point. There is no pure intellect when it comes to value statements.
Then I suppose we are in agreement that emotion and intellect can inform ones values or preferences.
Messianic Israelite
Active Member
Jeremiah Ames. No-one seems to have a problem with the fact that Yahweh is love. The problem I have is that people don't know what love is. Love is the keeping of Yahweh's Law (1 John 5:2). This is how we show love to Yahweh and our fellow men. But few people care what Yahweh's Law says, sadly. Love isn't loving evil, love is clinging to the good and hating the evil. If a woman was raped by a man, love isn't smiling at that rapist and congratulating him, but love hates the evil and this is what so few people understand. Loving evil makes us evil also.