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Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Frank Goad, Apr 13, 2021.

  1. Frank Goad

    Frank Goad Well-Known Member

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    john 8:51?John 11:26?How do jws see this?I like talking to jws about stuff like this.Because I was close to becoming one.:)
     
  2. savagewind

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    If you wish to talk to JW only then you might post in the JW thread so as not to tempt non-Jehovah's Witnesses who might have an opinion.
     
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    I have an opinion...or two.
     
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    Sorry.I also like non jehovah's witnesses sharing their opinion too.To get feedback.From both sides of the argument.:)
     
  5. savagewind

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    I don't expect that there exists a Bible translation that tells exactly the mind of God on anything.

    Is it possible that John 8:51 which reads thus in the NWT; Most truly I say to you, if anyone observes my word, he will never see death at all.+ really should convey the idea that to believe in the word of The Lord means that we do not consider death in our life? Lives. We think of living, not dying.
     
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    Some people live so that their death might be right.

    Both scriptures can mean that believers do not do that. We live to serve God, not death.
     
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    I think you are talking about John 5:24.:)
     
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    I think that they are all the same.
     
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    Healthy people want to live. Does Jesus say, "do this and you will live"? I don't think so. I will go as far as to say that promising someone something good for doing something is a BRIBE.

    I think that I can say for certain, righteousness doesn't use bribery.
     
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    I see you are getting help from someone on how to question JWs. :D
    Sorry, I was just thinking about the Scribes and Pharisees and how they approached Jesus to try to trip them up.
    Oh, I was not referring to @savagewind ... but I an convinced Frank that you are talking to people who are against the teachings of JWs, and you are being guided as to how to question them. Am I right? ;)
    Or are you checking out those websites on "How to answer JWs"?

    I was going to suggest you query the JWs website, where you would get the answer, but I see from post #4, you are not here trying to find out what JWs believe about scripture, but rather, you are interested in seeing them defend their scriptural stance... against opposers, maybe? :)

    Here is the JWs view on those scriptures.
    The answers are found in Jesus the Way the Truth and the Life book.
    *** jy chap. 69 p. 164 pars. 5-7 Their Father—Abraham or the Devil? ***
    Jesus has tried to show what the consequences of rejecting him are. But now he pointedly says: “You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father.” What is their father like? Jesus identifies him clearly: “That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth.” Jesus adds: “The one who is from God listens to the sayings of God. This is why you do not listen, because you are not from God.”—John 8:44, 47.

    That condemnation angers the Jews, who answer: “Are we not right in saying, ‘You are a Samaritan and have a demon’?” By calling Jesus “a Samaritan,” they are expressing contempt for him. But Jesus ignores their slur, responding: “I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me.” That this is a serious matter can be seen by Jesus’ startling promise: “If anyone observes my word, he will never see death at all.” He does not mean that the apostles and others who follow him will literally never die. Rather, they will never see eternal destruction, “the second death,” with no hope of a resurrection.—John 8:48-51; Revelation 21:8.

    The Jews took jesus words here literally.

    *** jy chap. 90 p. 212 pars. 3-5 “The Resurrection and the Life” ***
    Yet, could it be that Jesus can provide immediate relief in this case? He reminds Martha that he has God-given power over death, saying: “The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all.”—John 11:25, 26.

    Jesus is not suggesting that his disciples then alive will never die. Even he must die, as he has told his apostles. (Matthew 16:21; 17:22, 23) Jesus is stressing that exercising faith in him can lead to everlasting life. For many, such life will be gained through a resurrection. However, faithful ones alive at the end of this system may never have to die at all. In either case, everyone who exercises faith in him can be sure of never facing permanent death.

    Do you see the answer there.
    Jesus was not saying that those who exercise faith in him would somehow become immortals, and never die.
    Death is imminent even for those who go to heaven, and Jesus knows this.

    Of course, the scriptures tell us that some of those exercising faith in Jesus would live on into the new world without dying, but was Jesus alluding to these ones? Possibility.
    We know though that everyone living at the time Jesus said those words, died. So it seems apparent, Jesus is referring to not having to die permanently, considering the context.

    In either case, everlasting life means never dying at all, so that's evidently what Jesus meant.
     
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    The fact is that there are and have been people who cause death. If you believe in Jesus and listen to Jesus to live it his way nobody can blame you for any death. Jesus teaches life. The devil teaches for death.

    Are not the Jehovah's Witnesses all about preventing death? It is my opinion that is what their focus is. Death. It looks like they live so they don't have to die. They work against death.

    Jesus' work was without death. It isn't what was important to him. Is it not the most important thing to a Jehovah's Witness? It is what their work is all about, to prevent death.
     
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    Before I get all bent out of shape I should confirm with @nPeace that he believes that I am not capable of generating an original opinion. It is an opinion.
    People can think for themselves if they are not too far gone.
     
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