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What do you know about terrorism?!
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Absolutely. Reframing the topic and thereby diluting its focus on terrorism (that is the topic by the way) benefits only the terrorists. By providing ideological cover you serve as both an example of their effectiveness and an asset securing that effectiveness in the future. Supplementary rhetorical propaganda volleys such as " What Does Israel Do For The U.S.?" further suggests that we are dealing with agenda rather than confusion. Allow that agenda to become pervasive and we have the preconditions to the eradication of Israel and an historic victory for terrorism.
Your premise here is indefensible, sorry.
Americans have access to any news they WANT. If some choose to hang out on strictly liberal/conservative pro this anti that forums or access strictly liberal / conservative news sites, talk shows etc. that is their choice, not a government mandate.
People in some parts of the world are treated to a steady stream of government sponsored antisemitic propaganda from cradle to grave.
Yes it is biased and most of us have had enough already of the same old one-sided hate mongering, tyvm.
"In political jargon, the term "useful idiot" was used to describe Soviet sympathizers in western countries (particularly in the United States) and the alleged attitude of the Soviet government towards them. The implication was that the person in question was naïve, foolish, or in willful denial, and was being cynically used by the Soviet Union, or another Communist state.
The term is now used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by political movement, terrorist group, or hostile government, whether or not the group is Communist in nature."
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The term is now used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by political movement, terrorist group, or hostile government, whether or not the group is Communist in nature."
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Would you care to give a concrete example of where I "reframed" the topic in such a way as to "dilute its focus on terrorism" and thus "benefited only the terrorists?"
BTW, Who, here, are "the terrorists" you refer to? And precisely how did I benefit them?
Could you be more concrete, Jay? Good Grief! I've had professors who would mark up a sentence like that for sheer BS.
On what grounds do you call the question posed in that thread a "propaganda volley"?
Please note, you are ascribing an agenda to me, Jay. Could you please substantiate your claim that I have an agenda?
Goodness! You now seem to be charging me with at least a desire to eradicate Israel and see terrorism triumphant!
Such wild accusations! Such weak support for them!
Islamist Terrorist Groups (source: wikipedia)
- Abu Sayyaf (1991-present; Islamist separatists; the Philippines)
- Based in the southern islands of Jolo, Basilan, and Mindanao.
- Branched off of the Moro National Liberation Front.
- Allegedly partnered with Jemaah Islamiyah and Al-Qaeda.
- Aden-Abyan Islamic Army (Yemen)
- Adolat - Uzbekistan
- Akromiya - Uzbekistan
- Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Late 1970s-present; Islamists; Egypt)
- Seeks to establish Islamist state in Egypt. Usually targets secular establishments, government buildings, police, the military, minorities, tourists, and “morally offensive” buildings.
- Armed Islamic Group (1992-present; Islamists; Algeria)
- Seeks to establish Islamist state in Algeria. Began operations in 1992 after the Algerian government ignored election results that gave victory to Islamist political parties.
- Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
- Ansar al-Islam (December 2001-present; Islamists; Iraq)
- In Arabic, "Supporters of Islam."
- Also known as "Partisans of Islam or Helpers of Islam."
- Al-Qaeda (1988-present; Islamists; Afghanistan, Pakistan, and worldwide)
- In Arabic, "the foundation", "the base", or "the database" kept by intelligence services of anti-Soviet Afghani fighters.
- Also known as Qa‘idat al-Jihad, Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places, World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, Islamic Salvation Foundation, and the Osama bin Laden Network.
- Related: Alneda (former web site), As-Sahab (affiliated public relations organization),
- Cells: Buffalo six, Hamburg cell,
- Asbat al-Ansar (early 1990s-present; Lebanese Sunni Islamists; southern Lebanon)
- In Arabic, "the League of the Followers."
- Acronym for "Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya," or Islamic Resistance Movement.
- Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'al-Jihad/Al-Qaeda in Iraq - Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's Sunni network, operating in Iraq
- Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement - al-Qaeda linked separatist group in China's Xinjiang Autonomous Region aiming to establish an Islamic state. Banned by China, along with related groups East Turkestan Liberation Organization, World Uighur Youth Congress and East Turkistan Information Center[2]
- Egyptian Islamic Jihad - Egypt (active since the late 1970s)
- Hamas - West Bank, Gaza Strip. Listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the European Union, Israel, and the United States
- Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM) - Pakistan and Kashmir
- Hizb-an-nusra - Uzbekistan
- Hizb ut-Tahrir - international (legal in Britain and Australia)
- Hezbollah - Lebanon; Listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the Netherlands, Israel, and the United States
Hizbul Mujahideen - Pakistan and Kashmir
Hofstad Network - Netherlands
Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain - Defunct
Islamic Movement of Central Asia - Central Asia (affiliated with Al Qaeda) Jaish-e-Mohammed - Pakistan
Jaish Ansar al-Sunna - Iraq
Jama'at al-Jihad al-Islami
Jemaah Islamiyah - Southeast Asia
Jihad Rite - Australia (linked with Al Qaeda. Founded in 2001)
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi - Pakistan
Lashkar-e-Toiba - Pakistan
Maktab al-Khadamat - Afghanistan - Defunct
Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group - Morocco and Spain
Moro Islamic Liberation Front - (Islamic separatists; the Philippines)
Palestinian Islamic Jihad - Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip
People Against Gangsterism and Drugs - South Africa
Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat - Algeria
Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan - Pakistan
Students Islamic Movement of India - India
Takfir wal-Hijra - Egypt/Sudan/Algeria
Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi - Pakistan
Turkish Hezbollah - Kurdish organization operating in Turkey
Turkish Islamic Jihad - Turkey
Islamist fronts
Hofstad Network - Netherlands
Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain - Defunct
Islamic Movement of Central Asia - Central Asia (affiliated with Al Qaeda) Jaish-e-Mohammed - Pakistan
Jaish Ansar al-Sunna - Iraq
Jama'at al-Jihad al-Islami
Jemaah Islamiyah - Southeast Asia
Jihad Rite - Australia (linked with Al Qaeda. Founded in 2001)
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi - Pakistan
Lashkar-e-Toiba - Pakistan
Maktab al-Khadamat - Afghanistan - Defunct
Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group - Morocco and Spain
Moro Islamic Liberation Front - (Islamic separatists; the Philippines)
Palestinian Islamic Jihad - Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip
People Against Gangsterism and Drugs - South Africa
Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat - Algeria
Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan - Pakistan
Students Islamic Movement of India - India
Takfir wal-Hijra - Egypt/Sudan/Algeria
Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi - Pakistan
Turkish Hezbollah - Kurdish organization operating in Turkey
Turkish Islamic Jihad - Turkey
Islamist fronts
- Al-Barakaat (Al-Qaida front)
- Al-Wafa Humanitarian Organization (Al-Qaida front)
- Benevolence International Foundation (Al-Qaida front)
- Global Relief Foundation (Al-Qaida front)
- Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (Hamas)
- Konsojaya Trading Company (Jemaah Islamiyah front)
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Exactly. What's wrong with that? Why do you hate freedom?
fullyveiled muslimah
Evil incarnate!
I see we have a comprehensive list of muslim or arab organizations that may or may not be involved in terroist activity. What we don't have is intimate information about these groups to determine whether or not they are actually terrorists. We have to accept the word of whoever made the list that they know what they're talking about. I will not deny that perhaps some of them are very guilty of such crimes. I'm not in delusion to believe that terrorism does not exist, nor even that some misguided muslims somewhere engage in it.
A little expample of how these lists can be bogus. I am on the national list of individual potential terrorists here in the US. Question .......do I deserve to be on that list? Do you know what I have done to be on the list?
The fact that I am even on it, let's me know that if the US can put a citizen like me and friends of mine on a list like that, they will put other people or groups on that list that don't deserve it. I don't know all the reasons why because I don't have all the answers. I am not going to stop doing what I do, saying what I want, and believing what I believe because of a stupid list. I am a muslim and if being one makes me a threat and a terrorist then so be it.
A little expample of how these lists can be bogus. I am on the national list of individual potential terrorists here in the US. Question .......do I deserve to be on that list? Do you know what I have done to be on the list?
The fact that I am even on it, let's me know that if the US can put a citizen like me and friends of mine on a list like that, they will put other people or groups on that list that don't deserve it. I don't know all the reasons why because I don't have all the answers. I am not going to stop doing what I do, saying what I want, and believing what I believe because of a stupid list. I am a muslim and if being one makes me a threat and a terrorist then so be it.
fullyveiled muslimah
Evil incarnate!
He can correct me if he needs to, but I don't think he was talking about just americans. The people on this forum, some of them are not in the US (muslims I mean) who may be seeing a different presentation of incidents that happen. I think this is what he was addressing about the news. We are getting what we are getting over here, and people in Sudan, Egypt, Palestine, etc are either living it or may be getting things presented to them that we do not have presented to us. There are always two sides (or more) to any story. I think we have less access to the other sides. We have more mainstream access to America's side of things.
That is clearly true and a cause for concern. But I still suspect that the US and European media is, on the whole, more free and more reliable than is there counterpart elsewhere. The main problem I find with the US media is its indifference to much of the world news, but what it reports it generally seeks to report accurately as far as I can tell.
Prove this right now or take your words back and apologize because i had enough of your insults and remarks about the Muslims.
We have in here two proud men, an American and a British who call everyone to condemn terrorism even if it was theirs, and (i believe) they will condemn it even if that will mean their former belief that Iarqi people are intentionally killing each other all the time will be wrong, and at least inaccurate.
British Special Forces Caught Carrying Out Staged Terror In Iraq?
In another example of how the Iraqi quagmire is deliberately designed to degenerate into a chaotic abyss, British SAS were caught attempting to stage a terror attack and the media have dutifully shut up about the real questions surrounding the incident.
What is admitted is that two British soldiers in Arab garb and head dress drove a car towards a group of Iraq police and began firing. According to the Basra governor Mohammed al-Waili, one policeman was shot dead and another was injured. Pictured below are the wigs and clothing that the soldiers were wearing.
Read all the details in here: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/200905stagedterror.htm
And here too:
UK Soldiers Caught Dressed As Iraqis Killing Local Police
http://www.rense.com/general67/cmndo.htm
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Former CIA Analyst: Western Intelligence May Be Behind Mosque Bombing
"As I look at the top Pentagon brass, I have to conclude that unlike my days as a US army officer, those folks have been so politicized that if the US President told them to go ahead and exercise police functions in this country they would go ahead and salute and they would do it, and that's really scary."
Moving on to the "war on terror", 27 year veteran McGovern concurred that[SIZE=+1] staged terror has long been used by our governments in order to forward their own agendas at home and elsewhere:
"There's lots of evidence that the government in the past has used these things for its own purposes, for overthrowing governments, as it did in Iran in 1953, and in Guatemala in 1954, the Gulf of Tonkin was a little different...LBJ did deceive Congress and the war went on for seven years."
Concerning 9/11 McGovern declared that although he is still in two minds, he is deeply suspicious of the official version of events and "there is certainly a cover up." The amount of unanswered questions and blatant lies told by Cheney and the NeoCons makes it very easy for him to believe the government was involved.
Moving on to the recent Askariya mosque bombing in Samarra, Iraq McGovern commented;
"The main question is Qui Bono? Who benefits from this kind of thing? You don't have to be very conspiratorial or even paranoid to suggest that there are a whole bunch of likely suspects out there and not only the Sunnis. You know, the British officers were arrested, dressed up in Arab garb, riding around in a car, so this stuff goes on."
Ray McGovern is part of a collective of former Intelligence officers who call themselves Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS). Their writing can be found on www.truthout.com
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/260206mosquebombing.htm
http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/iraq_partition.html
http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=6559
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/310805divideiraq.htm
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I agree, you are so right. Americans have access to any news they *the government* WANT. I apperciate your honesty.
[/SIZE]It is certain that any reports coming out of Iraq accusing occupational forces of being behind car bombings will be brutally censored.
The Pentagon admitted before the war that independent journalists would be military targets and since then we've seen more journalists killed in Iraq over two and a half years than the entire seven year stretch of US involvement in Vietnam.
In many cases, such as that of Mazen Dana, an acclaimed hero who was killed after filming secret US mass graves, journalists are hunted down and executed because they record something that the occupational government doesn't want to reach the wider world.
Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena's car was fired upon and an Italian secret service agent killed after Sgrena was told by the group that kidnapped her that a threat to kill her if Italian troops didn't pull out of Iraq wasn't made by them. This means that Rumsfeld's Ministry of Truth in Iraq is putting out false statements by fake Jihad groups to try and maintain the facade that the resistance is run by brutal terrorists under the direction of Al-Qaeda/Iran/Syria or whoever else they want to bomb next.
Every high profile kidnapping brings with it eyewitness reports of white men in suits and police carrying out the abductions.
Many will find it hard to believe that ordinary soldiers would have it in them to carry out such brutal atrocities. The people carrying out these acts are not ordinary soldiers, they are SAS thugs who have been told that they have to be 'more evil than the terrorists' to defeat the terrorists. This is how they morally justify to themselves engaging in this criminal behavior.
The is alot of further documents in here about the whole thing and it called:
Is Iraq Civil War By Design?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/010306civilwar.htm
Peace and blessing,
TT
fullyveiled muslimah
Evil incarnate!
I guess its not hard to assume that people in other places may feel that their news is also accurate. I get what you are saying and I somewhat agree, but I am still skeptical of news reports as it concerns muslims.
fullyveiled muslimah
Evil incarnate!
The only thing I am wondering about is why we are supporting this war at all. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 that much was clarified before the war. Then the intention changed to ousting sadam's dictatorship. Then the intention was double with the "fact" that Iraq was hiding wmd's. Then when that was found out for the lie it was, there was no more reasons given. We're just over there blowing stuff to high heaven.
Believe it or not, so am I.
So, should we take from that outburst that you do not defend terrorism as legitimate?
By the way, you're either wallowing in confusion or engaged in deceit since the assertion that "in the muslim countries, terrorism is defended as legitimate" is in no way equivalent to the claim that a majority of Muslims support terrorism.
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