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What do you believe about the Holy Spirit?

Discussion in 'Nontrinitarian DIR' started by IsmailaGodHasHeard, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. IsmailaGodHasHeard

    IsmailaGodHasHeard Well-Known Member

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    I am just curious.
     
  2. SageTree

    SageTree Spiritual Friend
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    Isn't asking this in a NON-trinitarian DIR a little paradoxical?
     
  3. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Is this really the subforum you want to discuss this on? If it is, you should expect to hear from a very limited group of people -- possibly just the Jehovah's Witnesses.
     
  4. IsmailaGodHasHeard

    IsmailaGodHasHeard Well-Known Member

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    You guys are the exact group that I want to hear from. I want to know that if someone does not believe that Jesus is God, what do they believe about the Holy Spirit.
     
  5. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    What you fail to recognize is that it is entirely possible to believe that Jesus is God, but not be a trinitarian Christian.
     
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    Pegg Jehovah our God is One

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    the holy spirit is not a person, it is Gods active force, his power
    He sends out his holy spirit when instructing or inspiring people to teach his word:
    Ezekiel 36:26 And I will give YOU a new heart, and a new spirit I shall put inside YOU,...27 And my spirit I shall put inside YOU, and I will act so that in my regulations YOU will walkand my judicial decisions YOU will keep and actually carry out

    Joel 2:28 “And after that it must occur that I shall pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and YOUR sons and YOUR daughters will certainly prophesy. As for YOUR old men, dreams they will dream. As for YOUR young men, visions they will see. 29 And even on the menservants and on the maidservants in those days I shall pour out my spirit

    Acts 13:2 As they were publicly ministering to Jehovah and fasting, the holy spirit said: “Of all persons set Bar′na‧bas and Saul apart for me for the work to which I have called them

    He also uses holy spirit to perform miraculous & creative acts
    Matthew 1:18
    But the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way. During the time his mother Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph, she was found to be pregnant by holy spirit

    Genesis 1:2 Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God’s active force (spirit) was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters


    And he can give his spirit/power to others so that they can perform miraculous acts such as raising the dead, healing the sick or speaking in foreign languages:

    Acts 2:3
    And tongues as if of fire became visible to them and were distributed about, and one sat upon each one of them, 4 and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak with different tongues, just as the spirit was granting them to make utterance.

    Acts 3;1 Now Peter and John were going up into the temple ..2 and a certain man that was lame from his mother’s womb was being carried,...4 But Peter, together with John, gazed at him and said: “Take a look at us.” ... Peter said: ... In the name of Jesus Christ the Naz‧a‧rene′, walk!” 7 With that he took hold of him by the right hand and raised him up. Instantly the soles of his feet and his anklebones were made firm


    The holy spirit also is characterized by Godly qualities. A person with Gods spirit upon them should display the qualities because they are what the spirit produces in a person:
    Galatians 5:22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control
     
  7. IsmailaGodHasHeard

    IsmailaGodHasHeard Well-Known Member

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    This is true. I "met" someone online who believed that The Father is God, and that Jesus is God, but not the Holy Spirit. What I want to know from non-trinitarians is what do you believe that the Holy Spirit is, if He is not God?
     
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    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    My statement wasn't rude in the slightest! I was merely pointing out a fact that should be considered by the person authoring the OP.
     
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    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Okay, well in order to explain what I (and other Mormons) believe the Holy Ghost to be, I kind of have to explain our belief as to how He fits into the Godhead. Otherwise, it may not be clear to you that we do believe the Holy Ghost to be God, but do not consider ourselves to be trinitarian Christians.

    Our first Article of Faith states: We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His Son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost. We believe that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh. While we believe that God is the Father of the spirits of each and every person who has ever lived, and that we are all His spirit offspring, Jesus Christ is most definitely in a class by Himself. He was with His Father in the beginning. Under His Father's direction, He created worlds without number. He was chosen to be "the Lamb" prior to the foundation of this world. He sits today on the right hand of His Father. Along with the Holy Ghost, the Father and the Son make up the Godhead.

    We believe that our Father in Heaven and His Son Jesus Christ have a true father-son relationship. The words, "Father" and "Son," in other words, mean exactly what they say. They are not metaphorical or symbolic of a vague metaphysical relationship, in which two beings are some how both part of a single essence. We are each the physical sons and daughters of our mortal parents. Jesus Christ is the literal, physical Son of a divine Father and a mortal Mother. He was conceived in a miraculous way, but like all sons, was in the "express image of His Father's person." That is to say, He looked like Him. Dogs beget puppies, and cats beget kittens. God beget a Son who is the same species as He is. They both have bodies of flesh and bone (although, until His birth in Bethlehem, Jesus Christ was a spirit being only).

    The Father and the Son are physically distinct from one another, and yet they are also "one." This doctrine is taught in the Book of Mormon as well as in the Bible. We just understand the word "one" to mean something other than physical substance or essence. We believe they are "one in will and purpose, one in mind and heart, and one in power and glory." It would be impossible to explain, or even to understand, the degree of their unity. It is perfect; it is absolute. They think, feel and act as "one God." Because of this perfect unity, and because they share the title of "God," we think of them together in this way. It would be impossible for us to worship one of them without also worshipping the other.

    Most Christians also use the words “co-equal” and “co-eternal” to describe the relationship between the Father and the Son. We do not. We believe that, as is again the case with all fathers and sons, the Father existed prior to His Son. No son's existence precedes his father's, and Jesus Christ is no exception to this rule. We also believe Christ to be subordinate to His Father. He is divine because of His relationship with His Father. It is, however, important to understand what we mean when we use the word "subordinate." We understand that the Son holds a subordinate position in the relationship; we do not believe Him to be an inferior being. As an example, a colonel holds an inferior position to a general, but is not an inferior being. To most people's way of thinking, an ant, however, is an inferior being to a human.

    The third member of the Godhead is the Holy Ghost. Unlike the Father and the Son, the Holy Ghost is a person of spirit only. It is by virtue of this quality that He is able to both fill the universe and dwell in our hearts. It is through the Holy Ghost that God communicates to mankind. We come to understand spiritual truths through the witnessing of the Holy Ghost, who communicates with us on a spiritual plane. It is through Him that we come to know the Father and the Son.

     
  10. IsmailaGodHasHeard

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    Please do not fight.
     
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    This is the Nontrinitarian DIR, members who do not belong to that group are only allowed to post respectful questions.
     
  12. SageTree

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    The Holy Spirit is the Third Divine Person. The link or bond that unites the Son with the Father.

    The three are one: God the Father is invisible...He expresses HIs reality in the Son; the living incarnation of the Word. As an exact representation of the Father in flesh and blood. They are not two - but one.....The Holy Spirit is the bridge that unites the Son of Man to the Godhead.
    Thus the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three aspects of ONE BEING.
     
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    How can a ' neuter ' (it) be a person ?
    Both God and Jesus are always in the masculine gender, whereas God's spirit is neuter as ' it ' - Numbers 11:17; Numbers 11:25
    Modern-day translators changed the words 'it' and ' itself ' such as at Romans 8:16; Romans 8:26 to the masculine 'himself ', when the ancient manuscripts are in the neuter ' itself '.
    Even today we speak of cars or ships as being a 'she'. The word ' she ' does Not make the neuter car or ship as a person, but they remain a neuter 'it' .
    So, when God sends forth His spirit - Psalms 104:30 - He is Not sending forth a person.
     
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    I believe God IS a Holy Spirit, so there is no difference to me. The Holy Spirit is not a separate force or person or even Mode of God, but rather is God Himself. John 4:24 - "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
     
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