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What do Jews find strange about Christianity and why.
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It isn’t strange at all to reject Jesus of Nazareth’s claim to be the moshiach Ben David. He didn’t fulfill the requirements to be the moshiach.
One thing that is strange about Christianity, and not a few Christians, is when it presumes to think it knows the Jewish Scriptures better than the Jews themselves. The hubris is most strange indeed.
One thing that is strange about Christianity, and not a few Christians, is when it presumes to think it knows the Jewish Scriptures better than the Jews themselves. The hubris is most strange indeed.
Though I am not Jewish in any way shape of form, I can not help but wonder how some Christian denominations complain about how the Book of Mormon should be discounted because it is not in the Bible, but have no problem with the New Testament being tagged onto the Old Testament
I am at present looking into some links posted by @rosends....I’ll get back to these as soon as I have time to research the scriptures. There was quite a bit to get through.
That would quite possibly be because of the bad wrap that Jesus gave the Jewish leaders about their interpretation of the Hebrew Scriptures. He said that they had invalidated the word of God because of their oral traditions, putting these in place of it....so perhaps Jesus did know the Hebrew Scriptures better than the Jewish leaders did. That is not hubris....it’s an uncomfortable truth that led those leaders to plot his death. You know that this was not an unusual position taken by the Jewish leadership down through history. What prophet did they ever listen to?
Their track record is all recorded in those Jewish scriptures.....did the leopards change their spots? You tell me.....
YoursTrue
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Shadow Wolf
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On that, after I left the church amd started learning the actual basics and some of this and that, I realized I basically had to unlearn what the fundie Christians taught me about Judaism, because it's painfully wrong and makes it basically impossible to learn anything about Judaism. And, yes, they are very certain they know, because they take every instance of Jesus saying don't be like the Pharisees and don't do what the Saducees do to ultimately mean the Jews are wrong.
History shows this is a very common thing for humans. Such as Christian nobles. In 15th century Wallachia they were extremely notorious for doing such a thing, often displacing and killing viovodes they did not like. This is why Vlad III had many of them executed - he was also a Christian, a fierce one at that, and did fight for the Cross, even taking it up for one of the later Crusades against the Ottoman Turks.
Jedster
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PMFJI
Because it is not possible to be one with one's own father?
David's Psalm's show him being appointed as Messiah to suffer by the hands of his own people; Psalms 89:19-21 is paraphrased in Isaiah 52:13-14, where the word 'marred' should have been 'anointed' like we find the the Psalm.
The suffering "my servant" by definition of the Tanakh is King David, as it is paraphrased directly.
The word 'j+sēs' - יסס = 'a Grub that shall tear away', is found compared in Isaiah 51:8 to the word 'Yeshua'.
The Tanakh says the Fake Rabbinic (Babylonian) Jews are under a Curse of Moses (Deuteronomy 28:28-29, Zechariah 12:4); where due to bad leadership from the Rabbi (Zechariah 11:15-17) our people have been badly educated until the Messiah's return (Ezekiel 34).
Moses prophesied the Source of reality would make the Gentiles to aggravate the Fake Jews (Deuteronomy 32:21), to test if they're so argumentative they would reject the Bible, in the process of going against the religions of other nations (Deuteronomy 12:30).
To say I've got 'hubris' as an archangel and Messiah sent by the Source of reality, and then to be so argumentative that Rabbinic Judaism/Zionism has rejected all corrections by prophets, has gone against all the world's religions, where they now are on the verge of causing World War 3 as they feel they are invincible, is shocking.
I personally would like to educate all, as honestly the idea you haven't seen the Gospel of John was purposely made up, that Paul purposely defiles the Tanakh, and Simon was called the Stumbling Stone (peter), as he was to mislead the world (Zechariah 3:9, Isaiah 11:11-16).
Maybe Pharisaic/Rabbinic Jews are no longer aware they made up Christianity to go against the Ebionites, and to defile Yeshua's message in the first place; yet according to the Bible the Source of reality plans on destroying many for this.
In my opinion.
We've discussed this, and clearly neither of you've bothered to study since then...
The Gospel of John is deliberately made up by the Sanhedrin, it was put there to put any Jews off accepting Yeshua; yet in the process making the idol 'j+sēs' - יסס, that shall be a Grub/Beast that shall tear away (Isaiah 51:8).
John deliberately misrepresented the Last Supper, where Yeshua told his disciples not to drink of the vine in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew 10:42, Mark 9:41); yet they purposely mistranslated them to make it fit with John, and Paul's communion of blood drinking.
Revelation 16:6 says the vampires will be removed in the Great Tribulation, and John is purposefully going against Nohaide laws (Genesis 9:4-6), to see who the hypocritical lawbreakers of the world are.
Yeshua warned in all 3 Synoptic Gospels not to go after the imposters using "I Am" statements (Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5, Luke 21:8), as he did not speak that way, and it is prophesied at Judgement Day that the "I Am" consciousness is removed in a day (Isaiah 47:8-11).
There are purposefully 7 "I Am" statements making 'jesus' into a man God in the false Gospel of John; which is a fulfilment of the 7 eyes on the Stumbling Stone (peter) before Yehoshua in Zechariah 3:9.
In my opinion.
John 14:6
“Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
When Daniel saw in vision the coronation of Israel’s future King, (the Messiah) whose rulership was to last forever, he said...
“I saw in the visions of the night, and behold with the clouds of the heaven, one like a man was coming, and he came up to the Ancient of Days and was brought before Him. יגחָזֵ֚ה הֲוֵית֙ בְּחֶזְוֵ֣י לֵֽילְיָ֔א וַֽאֲרוּ֙ עִם־עֲנָנֵ֣י שְׁמַיָּ֔א כְּבַ֥ר אֱנָ֖שׁ אָתֵ֣ה הֲוָ֑א וְעַד־עַתִּ֚יק יֽוֹמַיָּא֙ מְטָ֔ה וּקְדָמ֖וֹהִי הַקְרְבֽוּהִי:
14And He gave him dominion and glory and a kingdom, and all peoples, nations, and tongues shall serve him; his dominion is an eternal dominion, which will not be removed, and his kingdom is one which will not be destroyed. ידוְלֵ֨הּ יְהִ֚ב שָׁלְטָן֙ וִיקָ֣ר וּמַלְכ֔וּ וְכֹ֣ל עַמְמַיָּ֗א אֻמַּיָּ֛א וְלִשָּֽׁנַיָּ֖א לֵ֣הּ יִפְלְח֑וּן שָׁלְטָנֵ֞הּ שָׁלְטַ֚ן עָלַם֙ דִּי־לָ֣א יֶעְדֵּ֔ה וּמַלְכוּתֵ֖הּ דִּי־לָ֥א תִתְחַבַּֽל:”
It speaks of one “like a man” being brought before God. (“The Ancient of Days”) This one was given “dominion and glory and a kingdom, and all peoples, nations, and tongues shall serve him; his dominion is an eternal dominion, which will not be removed, and his kingdom is one which will not be destroyed”. So it is apparent that this is the Messiah. Yet why is a man seen in heaven before God? To me this fits Jesus, not the model of the Jewish expectation, where their Messiah is just an earthly man....a strong political leader from what I have read.
So it appears to me that this is no ordinary man, because no human can be in God’s presence and survive the experience.
If Jesus is the Messiah and he was born of human flesh, but raised as a spirit, (as Christians believe) then Psalm 110:1-2 brings out the point that after his sacrificial death, David’s Master (the future Messiah) was told by Yahweh to......
"Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet." אלְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר נְאֻ֚ם יְהֹוָ֨ה | לַֽאדֹנִ֗י שֵׁ֥ב לִֽימִינִ֑י עַד־אָשִׁ֥ית אֹֽ֜יְבֶ֗יךָ הֲדֹ֣ם לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ:
2The staff of your might the Lord will send from Zion; rule in the midst of your enemies. במַטֵּ֚ה עֻזְּךָ֗ יִשְׁלַ֣ח יְ֖הֹוָה מִצִיּ֑וֹן רְ֜דֵ֗ה בְּקֶ֣רֶב אֹֽיְבֶֽיךָ:”
Waiting at God’s right hand, David’s Master was told to “rule in the midst of your enemies”.....
So if Jesus is the Messiah, he has to have made enemies. Jesus certainly did. But he was to rule after a waiting period at “God’s right hand”. Which to us allows for Jesus’ death and resurrection, a waiting period of undetermined time in order for God to accomplish the subduing of his enemies, and for the Messiah to rule in the midst of them before bringing the blessings of the kingdom to redeemed mankind on earth. So messiah’s rulership was not going to bring immediate blessings.
Daniel saw this too......after describing the March of world powers from Babylon to the present day, he said....
“And in the days of these kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom forever, it will not be destroyed, and the kingdom will not be left to another people; it will crumble and destroy all these kingdoms, and it will stand forever. מדוּבְיֽוֹמֵיה֞וֹן דִּ֧י מַלְכַיָּ֣א אִנּ֗וּן יְקִים֩ אֱלָ֨הּ שְׁמַיָּ֚א מַלְכוּ֙ דִּ֚י לְעָֽלְמִין֙ לָ֣א תִתְחַבַּ֔ל וּמַ֨לְכוּתָ֔ה לְעַ֥ם אָֽחֳרָ֖ן לָ֣א תִשְׁתְּבִ֑ק תַּדִּ֚ק וְתָסֵף֙ כָּל־אִלֵּ֣ין מַלְכְּוָתָ֔א וְהִ֖יא תְּק֥וּם לְעָֽלְמַיָּֽא:
This is speaking about the kingdoms that rule the earth right now. We believe that the setting up of God’s Kingdom over this earth, is imminent. The destruction of all human rulership will clear the way for God’s Kingdom to rule as earth’s only government.
Jesus is “the way, the truth and the life” because no one can come to the Father except through him as mediator of the new covenant and as the ultimate sacrifice laid down for all mankind. He taught the truth and through his life and teachings, we believe he is the only way to God.
Maybe 'cause he wasn't born yet at the time?
it's through the name at exodus 3:14. that is the WAY
what's even stranger is jews by birth can't really agree 100% on scripture.
Why Can’t the Rabbis Agree on Anything? - The Jewish obsession with arguments
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That isn't strange, Moses prophesied that the later generations would face completely opposite to everything he stated (Deuteronomy 31:24-29); as by the time he came down mount Sinai they'd already gone opposite.
They think they are so smart, they've corrupted everything by assuming they know more than God's prophets, and making up their own Oral Traditions instead (Isaiah 29:9-14).
In my opinion.
personally i like strange. you should have read the link. i giggledThat isn't strange, Moses prophesied that the later generations would face completely opposite to everything he stated (Deuteronomy 31:24-29); as by the time he came down mount Sinai they'd already gone opposite.
They think they are so smart, they've corrupted everything by assuming they know more than God's prophets, and making up their own Oral Traditions instead (Isaiah 29:9-14).
In my opinion.
Does that mean G‑d couldn’t figure out the answer? G‑d forbid. It just means that both opinions are true, and furthermore, the argument itself is also truth.
Flankerl
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You know that this was not an unusual position taken by the Jewish leadership down through history. What prophet did they ever listen to?
Oh fantastic.
'Cause Christians agree on everything...what's even stranger is jews by birth can't really agree 100% on scripture.
Why Can’t the Rabbis Agree on Anything? - The Jewish obsession with arguments
1. Human sacrifice when other books they claim (The Torah) say this is an abomination.
Human. Sacrifice.
2. Worshipping a man who is, in most theologies, god-not-god.
3. Most if not all of its theology comes from someone who never met Jesus and has a dubious mystical account about meeting him in a vision. Said man then goes on to argue tirelessly with Jesus' actual disciples.
4. It preaches to everyone but the reality is if literally no-one knew about it, everyone would be saved because their ignorance wouldn't be their fault.
5. It's based on belief rather than action. I find this incredibly odd. 'Believe in the messiah' is odd. In Jewish theology when the messiah is here you're going to know about it; it's not a matter of belief.
6. The gospels don't match in their most important details. Which day was Jesus crucified? Who found him at the tomb? Was he virgin born, if so, why is Mary so confused when Jesus is an adult and his whole family are recorded as thinking he's mad?
7. Speaking of which, G-d impregnating a human female? Yeah no.
8. Scriptures written in Greek. Greek was the language of the enemy. Modern Christians and in fact most Christians from around the 3rd century speaking no Hebrew whatsoever and not able therefore actually to read the Hebrew Scriptures in the original yet using it as a basis for their arguments and telling the Jewish people they know it better.
Human. Sacrifice.
2. Worshipping a man who is, in most theologies, god-not-god.
3. Most if not all of its theology comes from someone who never met Jesus and has a dubious mystical account about meeting him in a vision. Said man then goes on to argue tirelessly with Jesus' actual disciples.
4. It preaches to everyone but the reality is if literally no-one knew about it, everyone would be saved because their ignorance wouldn't be their fault.
5. It's based on belief rather than action. I find this incredibly odd. 'Believe in the messiah' is odd. In Jewish theology when the messiah is here you're going to know about it; it's not a matter of belief.
6. The gospels don't match in their most important details. Which day was Jesus crucified? Who found him at the tomb? Was he virgin born, if so, why is Mary so confused when Jesus is an adult and his whole family are recorded as thinking he's mad?
7. Speaking of which, G-d impregnating a human female? Yeah no.
8. Scriptures written in Greek. Greek was the language of the enemy. Modern Christians and in fact most Christians from around the 3rd century speaking no Hebrew whatsoever and not able therefore actually to read the Hebrew Scriptures in the original yet using it as a basis for their arguments and telling the Jewish people they know it better.
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