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What do jehovah's witnesses think of the following passages?

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Frank Goad, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Frank Goad

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    The logic of worship of believer, jesus, and father is pretty straightfoward. Scriptures can support either position; it doesn't matter. It's the same thing.
     
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    Did you check out the website as I suggested.
    May I ask, is this for you personally, or the benefit of others?
     
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    Yes i did check out the website.And i liked it.These questions benefit me personally.And not others.
     
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    Glad to hear. Do you find it easy to use?

    Okay, do you want to use the method I showed you, and see If you find an answer for the question you asked here? If you find a satisfactory answer, then :thumbsup:. If you don't, or you are looking for, or need further clarity, then by all means, go ahead and bounce it on here, and @Deeje, @Hockeycowboy, @URAVIP2ME, and myself, will be glad to look at it with you.

    Also, if there is a particular topic, you would like to discuss here, we will be glad to help you get the appropriate information.
    However, the JW website is very user friendly, and free for the public to get answers to any Bible questions.
    You can also have your own free home Bible study, or if that's not convenient, an online study. Or you can have your FAQs addressed there, or basically anything you would like to know about us.

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    In philippians 3:20 it says our conversation is in heaven.What is our conversation?Also in ephesians 3:14-15 it says the author bows down to the family in earth and heaven.When it says the author bows down to the people in heaven.What heaven is he talking about if everyone still in the dust like in daniel 12:2?:confused:
     
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    I looked philippines 3:20 up at jw.org and found out conversation means citizenship .
     
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    I find the Bible speaks of two (2) hopes: one heavenly and one earthly.
    Those of Revelation 20:6 have a first or earlier resurrection, and they are the ones called to heaven.- Luke 22:28-30
    Philippians 3:20 is in comparison with Ephesians 2:19 (they are the saints or holy ones of Daniel 7:18)
    Whereas, the majority of mankind can have a happy-and-healthy future physical resurrection on earth.
    That is why the 'future tense' is used that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection at Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
    This ' future resurrection ' includes people who died before Jesus died - John 3:13
    That is why Daniel is still sleeping, and so is King David as per Acts of the Apostles 2:34 A.
    Even John the Baptist (who died before Jesus) can have a future physical resurrection - Matthew 11:11.

    P.S. Those without any hope are the wicked because they will be 'destroyed forever' as per Psalms 92:7
     
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    That's good. The more you use it, the better you will get at it.

    Sorry to respond so late. I had a little business to take care of.
    I think I pick up what you are trying to ask.
    Have you read the whole of Ephesians 1, and 2?

    First, a little background...
    :bssquare:The nation of Israel were chosen, on account of the promise made to Abraham. - Exodus 19:3-6
    :bssquare:The promise : Genesis 22:18  And by means of your offspring all nations of the earth will obtain a blessing for themselves because you have listened to my voice.’”
    :bssquare:Recall Jesus said, he came to gather the lost sheep of Israel? - Matthew 15:24; 10:5-7
    :bssquare:When the nation rejected Christ, he abandoned them... as a nation. - Matthew 23
    Individual Jews who repented could be saved.
    :bssquare:However, attention was turned to the Gentiles, to gather individuals from there who accepted Christ. - Acts 10:44-11:1; 15:13-18
    :bssquare:So now, both Jews and Gentiles who accept Christ, make up Israel (now a spiritual nation) - Romans 9:6, 27-33; 1 Peter 2:9, 10

    So when reading the Greek scriptures, remember that all the letters being written to the congregations, are being written to the spiritual nation of Israel - that is, men and women of both Jews and Gentiles who accept Christ. These are all born again, or anointed Christians, whose "citizenship exists in the heavens" - They will go to heaven, once they remain faithful. John 14:1-4; 2 Corinthians 5:1-5; Philippians 3:20, 21

    Now back to Ephesians 1 & 2
    Ephesians 1:8-12
    8 This undeserved kindness he caused to abound toward us in all wisdom and understanding 9 by making known to us the sacred secret of his will. It is according to his good pleasure that he himself purposed 10 for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times, to gather all things together in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth. Yes, in him 11 with whom we are in union and were assigned as heirs, having been foreordained according to the purpose of the one who accomplishes all things as he decides according to his will, 12 so that we who have been first to hope in the Christ should serve for the praise of his glory.

    Ephesians 2:4-7
    4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 5 made us alive together with the Christ, even when we were dead in trespasses — by undeserved kindness you have been saved. 6 Moreover, he raised us up together and seated us together in the heavenly places in union with Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming systems of things he might demonstrate the surpassing riches of his undeserved kindness in his graciousness toward us in union with Christ Jesus.

    Notice, in Chapter 1, God's will is to gather all things together in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth. Compare Matthew 6:9, 10

    In Chapter 2, concerning those in the congregation it is said, he raised us up together and seated us together in the heavenly places in union with Christ Jesus. Compare Romans 8:17

    Think of this illustration.
    A large family can be made up of Father, Mother, Sister, Brother, Uncle, Aunt, Grand parents, and Grand Children, but who usually lives in the house as a family? Father, Mother, and Children... but the others outside the home are still family.

    In God's household, in heaven, there are spirit beings. but he also started an earthly family - first with Adam and Eve, but they fell, and thus God's earthly family was lost.
    Through Christ God set about restoring his earthly family. Genesis 22:18, which required certain steps.
    I didn't plan on giving you so much, so I'll stop there for now. Anything here you don't understand, feel free to ask.

    However, this is probably what you are inquiring about.
    Ephesians 3:14, 15
    14 For this reason I bend my knees to the Father, 15 to whom every family in heaven and on earth owes its name.
    Every family in heaven and on earth owes its name to God.
    The family in heaven are spirit beings / angels. Later they will have an additional number - 144,000 taken from the earth (those born again / anointed faithful to God). Revelation 14:1-5; 1 Corinthians 15:20-23, 50-57

    Did this help?
     
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    Philippians 3:20

    For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:


    Ephesians 3:14-15

    For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

    Ephesians I believe it speaks of “The Crucifix Of Jesus Christ”, giving his own sacrifice as our gift(life) on earth and heaven...and the that name is you.

    Philippians I believe speaks for those whom are his sons of god to keep searching and seeking in him..
    Which is one of the commandments:

    “Remember to keep Holy The Sabbath Day”


    Hope that helped! Helped me:) I’ve just learned this now thanks to your question
     
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