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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Quintessence, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. crossfire

    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    Four Bodhisattva Vows:

    Sentient beings are numberless; I vow to save them all.

    Anxiety and Hate, Delusive Desires are inexhaustible; I vow to put an end to them.

    The dharmas are boundless; I vow to master them.

    The Buddha's Way is unsurpassable; I vow to attain it.




    Just as all the previous Sugatas, the Buddhas
    Generated the mind of enlightenment
    And accomplished all the stages
    Of the Bodhisattva training,
    So will I too, for the sake of all beings,
    Generate the mind of enlightenment
    And accomplish all the stages
    Of the Bodhisattva training.

    You help save others by working on yourself as an example.
     
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  2. InChrist

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    I would say sin or sinfulness is anything short of God's perfect.
    Christians are so often selfish because there is a battle going on between their new spiritual life in Christ and their sinful old nature of the flesh. It is a daily choice and challenge to submit one's will to God which all Christians must deal with, even the apostle Paul...

    For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

    I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

    So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:15-25
     
  3. The Ragin Pagan

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    I have not; book or thread?

    Okay, so human nature. How to beat that, eh?

    And when the two meet? Say, for instance, refusing others their right to worship gods aside from yours?
     
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    By piling all your sins onto a human sacrifice, obviously.
     
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    If he's a beacon of light or bastion of hope, he's wanting to save us from a darkness he put us in.
     
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  6. The Ragin Pagan

    The Ragin Pagan A.K.A. The Kilted Heathen

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    But how, oh how, does one offer up their human nature through the medium of a human sacrifice?
     
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    That is the question.
     
  8. QuestioningMind

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    Reading history it looks as if Christians were among the first atheists. That is to say, the first group to start denying the existence of other people's gods. Prior to this others might have ridiculed your god as being weak or ineffectual, but they rarely if ever completely denied that your god(s) even existed. I find it rather ironic in that many Christians tend to be the first to take offense if you suggest that their god isn't real.
     
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  9. columbus

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    This "selfish old nature of the flesh", where does that come from if not Almighty God? We are all born with it, innocent as a newborn baby is. Nobody can do anything about it either, except to try and teach young people not to behave the way God made them. Rather, we try to teach them why less natural behavior is better.
    Tom
     
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    From the blazing fire.
     
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  12. The Emperor of Mankind

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    Book by Jonathan Kirsch. I quite enjoyed it. I see Frank beat me to it :)
     
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    Again the no-brain thing. If Allah really wanted to save us from the fire he's going to throw us into forever if we don't face-plant the ground and praise him at least once in this world then why doesn't he just do it? It's not like a lack of consent has stopped him doing other stuff before.
     
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  14. The Ragin Pagan

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    People like Plato and Aristotle may have been atheists, and they pre-date christianity by quite a bit, I think.
     
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    That is the question I have often asked those imagining themselves to be 'saved'---- I would like to hear the answers, also.....
    good question
     
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    I agree, however that is for that person to decide.
    How they interpret the Word of God shapes their journey - I do not believe in a set path.
     
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    That is not my perspective, nor do I think that is what the scriptures indicate. In the Genesis account, God in the beginning, created humans good and innocent...until they trusted self instead of their Creator and fell into disobedience and sin...thus the sinful nature came to exist. And according to the scriptures, there is no remedy, such as teaching young people better behavior. That is what religions and laws have been doing for centuries and while it may produce outward change temporarily it does not change one's heart or nature. The scriptures reveal that God's way is to put to death the sinful self and give new life in Christ, A process which begins here on earth when one places their trust in Jesus as their Savior, but is not completed until one leaves the flesh and enters the heavenly eternal realm.
     
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  18. InChrist

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    I don't get the exact meaning of your first question. As to the second, others certainly have the freedom to worship any gods they choose, at least in this country and around here. I can't and don't want to refuse anyone that right.
     
  19. Quintessence

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  20. The Ragin Pagan

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    What you call "sinfulness" is human nature. Unavoidable. Which, also, backs up my assessment of fear and adds the secondary imposition of guilt as a means to control the masses and ensure the validity of your views.

    You might not, but many other christians do, and will. Is it spirituality or selfishness when they use the bible as justification for denying others their right to worship?
     
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