MochaRadha
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what in your opinion makes somebody not hindu, or not able to be hindu. anything from eating meat to never reading the gita. just curious i know al religions have them
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what disqualifies someone from being hindu
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En'me
RightBehindEveryoneElse
This is like, a super duper vague question, because we all know, Hinduism is super diverse and big and yada yada yada, instead of going that route, I'm going to actualy try to think up some legit reasons for when a person cannot be a "Hindu".
1. I think, in my opinion atleast, for example, I don't understand how a person can be "Hindu" when he eats meat. I mean, you can classify yourself as "Hindu", but you're disregarding one of the major principles called Ahimsa, the first word of the first limb of Yoga.
Now, this might make look ignorant or something, but I am genuinly curious what the reasons are for Hindu people to eat meat.
Other than that, I have nothing, because, you find alot of things, diverse schools of thought, seperate sects (actualy standalone religions, but hey, Hinduism's the religion, we can thank the modern terminology for that mesh up) and so on and since Hinduism collectively refers to everything from the start of India and all the evolution of it until today, there really is no way you can actualy adhare to the original ideas originating from the 4 Vedas, so what could you actualy reject and say, "doing/not doing that/this will make/not make you a "Hindu""?
1. I think, in my opinion atleast, for example, I don't understand how a person can be "Hindu" when he eats meat. I mean, you can classify yourself as "Hindu", but you're disregarding one of the major principles called Ahimsa, the first word of the first limb of Yoga.
Now, this might make look ignorant or something, but I am genuinly curious what the reasons are for Hindu people to eat meat.
Other than that, I have nothing, because, you find alot of things, diverse schools of thought, seperate sects (actualy standalone religions, but hey, Hinduism's the religion, we can thank the modern terminology for that mesh up) and so on and since Hinduism collectively refers to everything from the start of India and all the evolution of it until today, there really is no way you can actualy adhare to the original ideas originating from the 4 Vedas, so what could you actualy reject and say, "doing/not doing that/this will make/not make you a "Hindu""?
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Not accepting the authority and validity of the Vedas, is, I believe, the deal-breaker for not being considered Hindu.
I don't think that eating meat is the show stopper for someone not being considered Hindu. People of the coastal regions of India rely on the sea for their sustenance because they cannot farm. They eat fish and other seafood, and they are still Hindu. The reasons why Hindus still eat meat are myriad, anywhere from health reasons (not everyone thrives on a vegetarian diet) to people who can only obtain meat in areas that are not farmable.
Btw, let me make it clear that I'm all for vegetarianism. I love animals and it breaks my heart to see a calf or piglet knowing that some day it's going to wind up on someone's Denny's breakfast plate.
I don't think that eating meat is the show stopper for someone not being considered Hindu. People of the coastal regions of India rely on the sea for their sustenance because they cannot farm. They eat fish and other seafood, and they are still Hindu. The reasons why Hindus still eat meat are myriad, anywhere from health reasons (not everyone thrives on a vegetarian diet) to people who can only obtain meat in areas that are not farmable.
Btw, let me make it clear that I'm all for vegetarianism. I love animals and it breaks my heart to see a calf or piglet knowing that some day it's going to wind up on someone's Denny's breakfast plate.
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Satyamavejayanti
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I would agree to this as well.
Well, for me, it's primarily health reasons. I'm severely underweight, and need the nutrients that meat provides. (I tried going vegetarian once, and got very sickly.)
It's not total disregard for ahimsa, which isn't an all-or-none deal, any more than eating yogurt (which is alive.)
I don't eat beef, though, and haven't since becoming Hindu.
One thing I really need to start doing is some kind of ritual whenever I have to eat meat, like how the Native Americans performed honor rituals for the animals they killed. I'm also considering performing some kind of yajna when I'm older and ready to fully give up on meat altogether.
chinu
chinu
Not living across river INDUS disqualifies someone from being hindu.
nameless
The Creator
nice jokeNot living across river INDUS disqualifies someone from being hindu.
so hinduism is not a system of belief, it is a place, right?
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Shuddhasattva
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Yes, pretty much this, although the 'exception to the rule' is that there are some obscure tantric sects which disavow the Vedas (yet nonetheless fall under the Hindu umbrella).
Perhaps the single most unifying doctrine is that of the pranava: auṃ, which we see run into Jainism and Buddhism as well.
AFAIK only something like 25% of Indians are vegetarian now.
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chinu
chinu
From INDUS it became H+INDUS = "HINDUS"nice joke
so hinduism is not a system of belief, it is a place, right?
En'me
RightBehindEveryoneElse
I'm confused by that, truthfully.
Accepting and following the Puranic version of Hinduism means you're Hindu, which vaguely translates to rejecting Vedic concepts, since many Vedic concepts and ideas are very different, some even opposite to the Puranic evolution.
Yet rejecting the Vedas means you're no longer Hindu.
Shuddhasattva
Well-Known Member
It is confusing, but even the puranas which implicitly reject or replace Vedic doctrines always derive their authority with the cachet of the Vedas.
Mostly it just comes down to ignorance as to what Vedic doctrine really is.
I feel the same way. Native Americans, Inuit, and most likely the First Nations all gave thanks to the spirit of the animal for giving its life for theirs. I am not vegetarian, though some day I would like to be. It's no hypocrisy or lie to say it breaks my heart to know that a cute little animal (lamb is out of the question, as is beef) is going to wind up at someone's dinner table, and not as a guest. It does break my heart, but at this point I also have a health issue that precludes relying on legumes and grains. While they provide sufficient protein (as do yogurt and cheeses), they are so high in carbohydrates as to wreak havoc on my blood sugar and insulin response. I try to have vegetarian meals when I can make them work.
Not living across river INDUS disqualifies someone from being hindu.
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you're joking, because if not, that's a load of crap. It furthers the racism of Indian Nationalists and and the ignorance of those who don't believe that a non-Indian can be Hindu. Hindu is no more an ethnonym than Roman Catholic is. If one is not Roman, can they not be Catholic, or if one is not Greek or Russian, can one not be Greek or Russian Orthodox?
nameless
The Creator
those in believes in hinduism (religion) are called what?
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nameless
The Creator
to my understanding it is not racism, india is a dangerously diverse nation, they just wanted to unite people in india on the basis of their common culture/ancestory, so that there would be tolerance, peace and mutual respect, no disrespect to people of other nations.
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That may be true, and I may have made a broad statement, but I've encountered (albeit online) those types of Hindutvavadis.
Shuddhasattva
Well-Known Member
Jai, have you tried pure gluten flour? You can get high protein vegetable concentrates that oftentimes taste amazing. Gluten/seitan steaks are delicious.
Chinese Buddhist monks develped seitan about a millennia ago out of the need for high protein diets combined with vegetarianism.
Chinese Buddhist monks develped seitan about a millennia ago out of the need for high protein diets combined with vegetarianism.