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What did the Jews do?

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Raymann, May 19, 2022.

  1. Raymann

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    I understand some Muslims dislike Jews since Israel took over the lands shared with Palestinians.
    That is today but what happened 1400 years ago?
    I was watching a video of a discussion taking place in Speakers Corner about a certain hadith.
    I stopped the video to read the Hadith and all of a sudden my head started spinning.
    What? What is this? Why?
    Here is the Hadith:
    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

    "The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews."

    Reference : Sahih Muslim 2922
    In-book reference : Book 54, Hadith 103
    USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 41, Hadith 6985

    Ok, I know, I'm gonna be asked where is the context?
    I keep googling and can't find any context.
    It has nothing to do with war.
    It has nothing to do with being attacked.
    It is not a self-defense reaction.
    It is about the last Hour.
    I figure you Muslims would be able to save me some time and explain it to me.
    I know Quran verses are explained on Tafsirs but what about Hadith?
    Who does explain Hadith?
    Is there a verse in the Quran where Allah ordered Muslims to kill the Jews before the Last Hour?
     
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  3. Raymann

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    I still don't understand. I know there were tribes that didn't like Muhammad and Islam and saw them as a threat and tried to kill them all.
    That's happening even today (Russians against Ukrainians). There're always going to be disagreements and wars but isn't Allah better than all human weaknesses?
    Allah (the most merciful) wants Muslims to kill Jews before the Last Hour?
    That doesn't sound too merciful nor fair considering that today's Jews have nothing to do with what Jews 1400 years ago did.
     
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    I'm not qualified to give you a complete answer. But there are a couple of things I can talk about. One is that the Quran has many references to Jews and Christians
    References to Jews in the Koran

    The second point In the battle between the Jews and the Muslims at the end of time, the aggressors will be the Jews - Islam Question & Answer is speaking of what Christians would call the anti-Christ and is in effect saying that war against those who join with an evil one is a just war. I thus put it in the same basic arena as the BIble Book of Revelation.
     
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    There is a difference between the Hadith and the Quran. Supposedly the Quran was what Allah said to Muhammad. The Hadith are Muhammad's own writings. Both tend to be revered, but many Muslims do not fully accept the Hadith. Even so the rather brutal passages of some parts of the Hadith should put the claim of Muhammad being a messenger of God into question.
     
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    Raymann said:
    I know there were tribes that didn't like Muhammad and Islam and saw them as a threat and tried to kill them all.

    I heard it multiple times, Muslims claim the polytheists attacked the Muslims and that's why they moved to Medinah. Once they were strong enough they went back to Mekka.

    That is the word of men with no qualifications to speak in the name of Allah.
    Where did Allah said the Jews will attack the Muslims?
     
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    No they are not.

    Regards Tony
     
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