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Featured What Did Jesus Mean?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Deeje, Oct 10, 2018.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    John's purpose was to prepare the way of the LORD (Matthew 3:3) Yeshua sent his discipes to preach repent, the kingdom of heaven is at hand, to the lost sheep of Israel. John preached to Judah/Jews. Judah and the house of Israel/Ephraim, have yet to "acknowledge their guilt" (Hosea 5:15-6:2) and have the LORD "revive us". And they both remain under judgment (Hosea 5:11-14).

    New American Standard Bible Matthew 3:3
    For this is the one referred to by Isaiah the prophet when he said, "THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, 'MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT!'"
     
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    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    Your reference of "survivors" is with respect to Joel 2:31-32 & Matthew 24, which is with respect to "awesome day of the LORD", the "great tribulation", which remains behind the door (Matthew 24:33). The house of Israel has also not kept "the law of Moses" (Malachi 4:4) and remains "scattered among the nations" (Ez 36:19). Your lawless "Christians" are looking forward to a rude awakening. (Malachi 4:1).(Matthew 7:23)
     
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  3. Faithofchristian

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    Seeing you have no idea who Jesus was in the referring to.
    If you had notice in Matthew 7:21, Jesus referring to everyone. This is Not just limited to Prophets.
    But everyone and anyone.who comes saying, Lord,Lord,

    As for Matthew 7:23---"And then will I professor unto them, I never knew you, depart from me, you that work lawlessness"

    Take note Jesus said ( unto them) this being anyone who comes to prophesied in Christ Jesus name.

    Take note Jesus also said ( I never knew you) well it's evidence that Jesus knew Paul, seeing it was Jesus who chosen Paul to take his Gospel Message to the Gentiles.
    Acts 9:1-15.

    So how is it that you say Paul is a false prophet, When in fact, it was Jesus who chosen Paul to take his Gospel Message to the Gentiles.
    Acts 9:1-15.

    So why would Jesus choose Paul, if Jesus knew Paul was a false prophet,
    As you say Paul is a false prophet.
    But yet Jesus chosen Paul to take his Gospel Message to the Gentiles.

    So what your doing is contradicting what Jesus has said. That he ( Jesus) chosen Paul to take his Gospel Message to the Gentiles.
    So how is it that you call Paul a false prophet, But yet Jesus said no such a thing, But only Jesus chosen Paul to take his Gospel Message to the Gentiles.
    Acts 9:1-15.

    I would have to say, your a false prophet that comes in sheep clothing to deceive people.
     
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    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    So who do you suppose is the false prophet and the beast is?
     
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    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    If you had notice Jesus said ( among those born of women)
    Can you think of anyone, who was not born of women ?
    I can, but can anyone think of anyone who was not born of women?
     
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    In the narrative of the Fall, it is Eve who tempts Adam with the forbidden fruit, so there's the reference, plus we also know this paradigm from a general analysis of the texts in other areas, such as why women's testimony was considered pretty much worthless in court and that women were considered to be the weaker sex that all too often tempted men.

    John was likely a "nazir", thus a "holy man" of sorts, and they were highly respected in general but maybe even more so with John because of his recognition and baptizing of Jesus. Hard to say.

    BTW, if you want to argue any of the above points, I ain't interested.
     
  7. 2ndpillar

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    The "beast" of Revelation 13:3-8 is Julius Caesar, who was "slain" by the Roman Senate, and healed as Augustus Caesars. The "another beast", was the emperor Augustus Constantine Caesar, the beast with two horns like a lamb (Revelation 13:11), the 7th head of the beast, who was to deceive "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14), by means of his instituted Roman church, built on the foundation of his two horns like a lamb, Peter and Paul, who he glorified by building cross shaped churches/basilicas for both. Paul is the main lawless false prophet of Matthew 7:23, a ravenous wolf (Genesis 49:27) dressed in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:5).
     
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    Not everyone will say "did we not prophesy in your name" "cast out demons" (Mt 7:22)
     
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    So you say the beast of Revelation 13:3-8 as being Julius Caesar, So can you give in the book of Revelation where Christ Jesus said that.

    Seeing the book of Revelation was given by Christ Jesus. So where in the book of Revelation does Christ Jesus say the beast of Revelation 13:3-8 as being Julius Caesar?
    So where in the book of Revelation does Christ Jesus say that.

    I find no where in the book of Revelation Christ Jesus saying anything what your saying.
     
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    That's right, Christ Jesus did say ( Many will say to me in that day)

    Have you any idea what day that is?

    You know there will be many Christians in that day, that will say, Lord,Lord, have we not prophesied in your name.and in your name have cast out devil's, and in your name done many wonderful works"

    Who else besides Christians professes to come in the name of Christ, doing wonderful works in the name of Christ.

    So the ( many) being Christians.

    then Christ will I professor unto them, I never knew you, depart from me, you that work lawlessness"

    "For many shall come in my name, saying,
    I am Christ, and shall deceive many"
    Matthew 24:5.

    Note that Christ being abbreviated for
    Christian, .Christ = Christian.

    Who else besides Christians professes to come in the name of Christ = Christian

    Unto which you said that in the book of Revelation 13:3-8 the beast as being Julius Caesar, But there is no where in the book of Revelation that Christ Jesus ever said that.
    Christ Jesus given the book of Revelation to John the disciple and John wrote down what was given to him by Christ Jesus.

    there is no where in the book of Revelation that Christ Jesus ever said that the beast of Revelation 13:3-8 as being Julius Caesar.
     
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    That John is grater than any other human, grater than Moises, grater than David etc.
     
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    Since the least one in Heaven is greater than John, then John will Not be in Heaven.
    I find that John will be part of an earthly resurrection under Christ's 1,000-year reign.
    So, those who died before Jesus sealed the new covenant contract by his faithful death can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to live life on Earth.
    No one who died before Jesus (John 3:13) is called to heavenly life, but to future earthly life.
    John the Baptizer died before Jesus died.
     
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    John the Baptist will be born again in the resurrection. So while he was alive on earth he was only born of a woman. But, in the resurrection all will be equally born again.

    The new Jerusalem itself comes down from heaven to stay on the earth and God Himself will be on earth reigning.
     
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    For one thing, there is a coming ' day of separation ' before Jesus begins his 1,000-year day of governing over Earth.
    I find, at that separation judgement time the ' many ' of Matthew 25:31-33 prove to be the figurative haughty 'goat'-type people alive on Earth at this coming time of separation.
     
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    Wow, a God who the 'heavens of heavens' can Not contain Him will be on Earth ! - 1 Kings 8:27.
    Wow, a God who is going to have a new dwelling place on Earth ! - 1 Kings 8:30; 1 Kings 8:39; 1 Kings 8:49.
    Especially since God refers to Earth as His footstool - Isaiah 66; Isaiah 60:13.
    I wonder did God forget to tell all that to Jeremiah who wrote 1st Kings.
    I wonder then will Earth become BIGGER than the heavens of heavens _____

    I find the people Jesus resurrected where resurrected as they were when they died.
    They were Not born again ( spiritually nor by physical birth ) but as they were when they died.
    Since the governing throne is in Heaven (Revelation 3:21) then New Jerusalem (seat of government) comes down in the sense of directing attention to Earth. Those of Revelation 20:6; 5:9-10 are in Heaven with Jesus, Not on Earth.
    Just as Jesus now directs the Christian congregation on Earth today from his heavenly location toward Earth.
     
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    Whoever wrote this is saying that Jesus' cult will supplant and be greater than John the Baptist's cult. Which happened, while remnants of the John the Baptist cult exist to this day (Mandaeans), Christianity grew into a world religion. Jesus and John the Baptist were rivals vying for the same audience, so when John got arrested by Herod, Jesus swipe a few of the Baptist's followers. Jesus is saying that his followers will be greater.
     
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  17. Faithofchristian

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    The separation doesn't happen until Jesus comes. Then Jesus sends forth his angels to separate the goats from his elect people.
    You do know that Jesus can not come until the last prophecy of the book of Revelation happens first. By which time when this last prophecy happens that Christ Jesus given in the book of Revelation,
    The tribulation is over and the thousand years starts.
    You do know those people are not of flesh and blood as we are now. They have been change into their spirit bodies.which are not of flesh and blood.
     
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    Revelation 20:6 is after the thousand years have expired. and those people are here on Earth, and Christ Jesus has establish his kingdom here on earth.
    As for Revelation 5:9-10, this all happens during the thousand years reign of Christ Jesus here on Earth.
    If you had notice verse 10 ( and we shall reign on the earth)
    So there's no one in heaven, but all are here on Earth to reign with Christ Jesus in his kingdom here on Earth.
     
  19. URAVIP2ME

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    Sure, we all pray for God's kingdom government (thy kingdom come) to come,
    We do Not pray to be 'taken away' to the kingdom, nor pray to 'go up' to the kingdom.
    We are all also invited to pray the invitation or Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !
    But that does Not mean come here physically. The kingdom seat of government is located in Heaven.
    Those who have that first or earlier resurrection of Revelation 20:6 are resurrected to Heaven as first fruits.
    First, as in having a first or earlier resurrection than the rest of resurrected mankind.
    The rest of resurrected mankind will be resurrected back to physical life on Earth.
    That earthly resurrection takes place 'during' Jesus' 1,000-year reign on Earth is from Heaven.
    It is the ' reign ' that is what is upon the Earth. Not the resurrected ' first fruits ' themselves.
    I find Daniel refers to those ' first fruits' holy ones as 'saints' (KJV) at Daniel 7:18,22, 27.
    They will be part of the heavenly 'angelic army' of Revelation 17:14; 19:14.
     
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    And, what is your Governing Body? Not Is? They THINK, therefore they teach. For you, it is OK that they do, but it seems to be not OK that I do. I have to wonder why.
     
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