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Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Exaltist Ethan, Aug 31, 2022.

  1. Exaltist Ethan

    Exaltist Ethan From Omniverse to Omnitheism

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    This thread is an attempt to explain what convinced me that my independent faith, Exaltism, is reality. This might get long...

    Exaltism as a word simply means an adherence to raise the status of things. Based on its pure etymology there shouldn't be much more to that. There is, however. We need to have serious dialogues on how to do exactly do that. In many ways Exaltism works perfect to describe how I see things, because nature is going through a transition right now and exalting itself, and we as humans are the primary driving force of that exaltation.

    Yes, I know that many species are dying left and right because of our dominance. Many species would die regardless of our existence. It's part of the animal kingdom. Some species go extinct, others flourish and some change to adapt to new environments.

    So where does that leave God? Humans are the wise man; we have found ways to create our own divinity. Some of God's characteristics is imbued in nature, such as the totality and potency of things, whereas other characteristics only exist in humans, such as our great way of developing utilities such as forks or knifes and our ability to unify with unlike people.

    When I realized this I knew that part of my theology exists in the realm of pantheism, and the other? I don't know. There isn't a word to describe humankind's effects to become more divine. Or so I thought. The other half of divinity that we are creating is termed syntheism, which etymology literally means "creating God."

    So, I am both a pantheist, or technically, panendeist if you want to get nitpicky, and syntheist. Pure syntheism appears to be a dangerous concept, however. This belief that humans will create a monotheistic God that will exist outside all spacetime and change our reality permanently sounds like the beginning of a dystopian sci-fi novel. The syntheists call this creation the Syntheos, or literally "the created God."

    I don't see divinity like that at all! Nature is becoming God, all of it, in an ever-increasing pantheist-like fashion. And I call this God the Synverse. Literally meaning, "creating spacetime." Meaning, humans have a duty to keep existing and expanding their extropy - or order- until The Omniverse, which was once completely ruled over by almost infinite entropy, will be a balanced between entropy, or chaos, extropy, or order and the Verse, or spacetime and matter.

    If I had to gauge how this is happening, where 0 is No Synverse, and 10 is complete Synverse, I would say before humans existed it was 0, after humans existed it was a 1, and after the creation of the global Internet it became a 2. A complete Synverse will take much time to develop, and becoming a ten on the Synverse scale means a lot of things, such as, living in a post-moral, post-theistic transtheistic society. This will take a long time and many more centuries to implement.

    But what convinced me of something like this? Nobody told me to believe in a Synverse. I had to come up with this idea of God myself. I will tell you where this all began. I saw how humans were changing their environment, not only to necessitate the allocation of goods and services to people quicker, but also to allow humans to create better and faster than they ever had imagined. The typewriter was developed not too long ago, and now we have essentially developed something much more remarkably more efficient than a standard typewriter.

    My theological worldview has always been in development since I was a young kid, and realizing what humans are capable of. Think about it, you can be a Christian and read the Bible, or you can be an Exaltist and pick up wisdom from any book you choose to learn from. What isn't important is what book you read, really, but what you learn from that book. So, I've developed a very keen sense early on with our development of a more divine God. Or God itself.

    I didn't believe in Exaltism, or the Synverse, or pantheism or syntheism as a kid, I had to grow and develop these concepts myself, because I'm reaching a point in my theological development where nobody has seriously considered these viewpoints, except for futurists like Ray Kurzweil.

    What ultimately convinced me of these beliefs was how wide my affect has become and how I look at "big picture" kind of concepts. My affect has always been wide and because of this I've adopted theologies that themselves express themselves with their own affect. I didn't believe in pantheism until I found a word that described the pantheist God, The Omniverse, and I didn't believe in the trinity of such until much more recently, when I adopted the idea that Entropy and Extropy themselves are part of the eternal order of things.

    When I was a kid I always had these big concept ideas. To deify time, matter, and forces like gravity or electromagnetism but it wasn't until recently that I haven't really changed my opinion about this. All actions are in some way a force of Entropy and Extropy, and all Verses come from The Omniverse. Those beliefs alone are enough for me to deify those concepts. But it's more than that.

    The Synverse is both an action and a being. It exists to create things. Humans are forever in the creation of their own Gods, with religions they invent, scriptures they write and the development of practices and rituals to perform. Who isn't to say in some way those Gods don't exist? Physically, no, they don't, and even though sometimes I want to I cannot and will not ever convert to Christianity, but in the minds and spirits of the believers they DO exist. They exalt something in specific, because while it's a nice idea to read every book you can, it's more important what books you actually read and read with proper context. That's why there's so many study Bibles out there. They give you the reference to understand even better.

    So, I believe the local multiverse created our Universe. The Universe ultimately created us for our being to create action. And that action is extropy and is ultimately creating the being of the Synverse.

    Do you now understand where I'm coming from?

    As helpful it could be one day to convert to another religion, or to simply say "I'm Omnist and can go to any congregation", my own faith will always mean more to me than any other religion can put their own faith in. I have even found Christian denominations that I like but I turn my head against them, because my transtheistic pantheist concept will always mean more to me than simply saying, "Jesus died on a cross for you." My simple belief that we are creating God itself, while being remarkably simple and easy to understand, is so foreign to most people and theologies that I might be the only one on this forum that is truly espousing that kind of view.

    So now I bring it back to you. What convinced you of your faith? The long answer for myself is the one I just described. The short answer however would be my affect and intuitive thinking. Many religions invent Gods but everything I've described, like The Omniverse, Entropy and Extropy are known concepts to actually exist in reality, and these things can and will be measured someday.

    So, let's hear your side of this! Don't be shy.
     
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  2. The Hammer

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    What convinced me was a deep personal experience of my Gods which transcended the boundaries of what is knowable and explainable through language; this was a sign that my path was the correct one for me.
     
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  3. Moon

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    Something alot simpler than you. Haha. Thinking about how the end of existence would come about led to my beliefs. If you want the long version check out my post titled Similarities posted two days ago in the general religious debates forum.Similarities
     
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  4. Suave

    Suave Simulated character

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    "I find a simulated universe based religion to be superior over any other religion, because there are real indicators of us living in a simulation, and a simulated universe might be a testable hypothesis..

    God is life's Creator. Our genetic code's creator has left this mathematical pattern in our genetic code conveying to me the symbol of an Egyptian triangle as well as the number 37 embedded in our genetic code.
    Eight of the canonical amino acids can be sufficiently defined by the composition of their codon's first and second base nucleotides. The nucleon sum of these amino acids' side chains is 333 (=37 * 3 squared), the sun of their block nucleons (basic core structure) is 592 (=37 * 4 squared), and the sum of their total nucleons is 925 (=37 * 5 squared ). With 37 factored out, this results in 3 squared + 4 squared = 5 squared, which is representative of an Egyptian triangle.

    The “Wow! signal” of the terrestrial genetic code
    • May 2013
    • Icarus 224(1):228–242
    DOI:10.1016/j.icarus.2013.02.017
    Authors: Vladimir Shcherbak, Maxim Makukov

    The mathematical pattern of the number 37 being used as a key factor for conveying an Egyptian triangle might be related to the gematria value of 37 appearing in the Hebrew language of Genesis 1:1.

    [​IMG]

    There are some indications of us living in a computer simulation:

    1. Crude simulations and virtual realities have already been simulated by computers .
    A study conducted by Henry Markram and his team at the Blue Brain project have successfully simulated elements of a rat’s neocortical column, a complex layer of brain tissue common to all mammalian species. " Henry Markram at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne and his team built their model based on experimental measurements of rat brain slices. The simulation represents roughly 37 million synapses, or neuronal connections, in the brain region that receives sensory information from the whiskers and other parts of the body. Using the model, the team simulated rat whisker movement and saw similar neuronal responses to those observed in rat experiments."

    Computer model of rat-brain part - Nature.



    I realize a computer simulation of a rat's neocortical column is nowhere near the complexity of a computer simulation of an entire living human brain, but this does demonstrate at least a bit of progress so far being made towards an entire human brain's consciousness being simulated by a computer.

    2. Wave-function collapse - Matter exists as a probability wave that collapses to a particle upon observation. Wave-function collapse would be expected in a simulated reality, because computational resources would be conserved by only simulating observed matter.

    3. Matrix glitches - Paranormal phenomenon might happen in a simulation where the rules governing the simulation are disrupted or changed

    4 Compromises in simulation algorithms - The human mind and the internet use very similar algorithms or methods to manage the flow of information., these methods often take short cuts to conserve energy or conserve computational resources, this might be expected in a computer simulation.

    Study: Internet, Human Brain Use Similar Algorithms to Process Info

    5. Computer code found in string theory."



    Suave - Esperanto, not Sim Theory | Religious Forums

    "Please let us note the discovery of error correcting codes within the equations of symmetry is a rigorously proven theorem.

    Reference: https://www.quora.com/Is-theoretica...mmunity-and-has-it-been-corroborated-by-other

    Is theoretical physicist James Gates’ intriguing discovery of error-correcting codes within the equations of supersymmetry accepted within the theoretical physicist community, and has it been corroborated by other physicists?

    Tristan Hubsch
    , PhD Physics, University of Maryland, College Park (1987)
    Answered 3 years ago · Author has 1.4K answers and 1M answer views

    A.: The discovery is a rigorously proven theorem.

    To be precise, the (error-detecting and error-correcting binary doubly-even linear block) codes were discovered/identified within the classification of worldline off-shell supermultiplets without central charge [On Graph-Theoretic Identifications of Adinkras, Supersymmetry Representations and Superfields, by C.F. Doran, M.G. Faux, S.J. Gates, Jr., T. Hübsch, K.M. Iga and G.D. Landweber: Int. J. Mod. Phys. A22 (2007) 869-930, arXiv:math-ph/0512016]. It was then proven that these (minimal) supermultiplets in turn encode the continuum of all possible worldline supermultiplets [On General Off-Shell Representations of Worldline (1D) Supersymmetry, by C.F. Doran, T. Hübsch, K.M. Iga and G.D. Landweber: Symmetry 6 no. 1, (2014) 67–88, arXiv:1310.3258]. See also my answer to “James Gates claims that he found code in string theory. Does that imply that we live in a simulation?”

    If string theory proves to be a valid explanation for the fundamental constituents of the universe being one-dimensional “strings” rather than point-like particles, then the computer code found within string theory could be a real indication of our simulated universe being controlled by God!

    Some physicists have proposed a method for testing if we are in a numerical simulated cubic space-time lattice Matrix or simulated universe with an underlying grid.
    [1210.1847] Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation

    Based on the assumption that there'd be finite computational resources, a simulated universe would be performed by dividing up the space-time continuum into individually separate and distinctive points. Analogous to mini-simulations that lattice-gauge theorists conduct to construct nuclei based on Quantum Chromodynamics, observable effects of a grid-like space-time have been studied from these computer simulations which use a 3-D grid to model how elementary particles move and collide with each other. Anomalies found in these simulations suggest that if we are in a simulation universe with an underlying grid, then there'd be various amounts of high energy cosmic rays coming at us from each direction; but if space is continuous, then there'd be high energy cosmic rays coming at us equally from every direction.
    In a simulated universe, we'd expect to observe cosmic rays travelling predominately along the axes of the lattice of our simulated universe/Matrix in contrast to being observed emanating equally in all directions of unconstrained space; this implies the existence of a simulator ( a.k.a. -God) "

    High Energy Physics - Phenomenology
    Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation
    Silas R. Beane, Zohreh Davoudi, Martin J. Savage
    (Submitted on 4 Oct 2012 (v1), last revised 9 Nov 2012 (this version, v2))"

     
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  5. Vinayaka

    Vinayaka devotee
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    My convincing parallels yours.
     
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    Sand Dancer Crazy Cat Lady

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    How does one get to the place where a personal experience can happen?
     
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  7. Ashoka

    Ashoka Dia duit Bríd

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    It's different for everyone. For me it took a lot of meditation and ritual work. Relationships with deities are like relationships with friends. You have to put into the relationship.
     
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    That in itself is deeply personal I think.

    It requires that one already be open to the experience, and also practicing a religious path that is focused on "inner alchemy", the work of cultivating the self.

    Quietude, introspection, and meditation are all ways to this experience.
     
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  9. sun rise

    sun rise Śvāna Dharma
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    To me such experiences are a reasonless gift. From a New Troubadors song: In My Name Lyrics

    Change can come in the twinkling of an eye,
    In the ripple upon a lake.
    Change can come in the color of a flower,
    In the sparkle of morning dew,
    When the Light catches you.
    In that tiny moment, you are transformed.
     
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    Pretty much this, except my experience didn’t involve gods, but was a non-dual mystical experience in my early teens.
     
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  11. Vinayaka

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    Yes, I had one of those as well. But as you know, later ones had Gods involved.
     
  12. Goldemar

    Goldemar A queer sort

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    A lot of introspection and reflection and prayer seeking guidance from God, together with regular fasting.
     
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    So reality may be a typo?

    A great insight!
     
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    "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one" - Albert Einstein
     
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  15. InChrist

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    Jesus convinced me when He rescued me from spiritual confusion, blindness, deception and set me free for the present and eternity.
     
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    I think reality can be meaningfully and usefully defined, so perhaps Albert and I are talking about slightly different things.

    If only he were here to discuss it, I'm sure he'd come round to my point of view ...

    Indeed, perhaps the place to start would be to check how he, you and I each define "reality".
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    How does false exaltation help? Let the things be as they truly are.
    Drugs are the easiest way. 40 days meditation in desert is a sure shot. God send you messages.
     
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    Thanks for asking. For me it is the Words of Baha’u’llah. The first thing I read was His Book of Certitude. I read it five times. It was written within two days. Forty five years and I’m still learning from it.

    The Kitáb-i-Íqán | Bahá’í Reference Library
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Lack of evidence convinced me that God/Gods/Goddesses are imaginary entities. That also rejects the possibility of anyone being a messenger from God.
     
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    sun rise Śvāna Dharma
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    I know from personal experience that drugs are not a way, easy or not. All they do, at best, is provide an illusion and sometimes a delusion.
     
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