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What are your beliefs about fate and destiny?

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by Spiderman, Sep 20, 2017.

  1. Spiderman

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    I'm just wondering your opinions and beliefs about destiny/fate.

    Do you believe all people have a calling, fate, or destiny? What factors cause one to reach it? Do the answers ultimately lie within oneself?

    If you are married, do you believe your spouse was destined to be your husband/wife?

    Do you feel you are fulfilling your destiny or missing out on it?

    If a person is mentally ill as I am, is that linked to fate in the sense that the delusions, mood swings, inclinations, and behaviors that result are part of a larger plan and purpose? Perhaps it is to give me compassion and understanding of others with mental disorders?

    Anyhow, I think the answers to a calling or destiny lie within, but if one is mentally ill, there can be delusions that prevent a person from discovering destiny correctly it would seem.

    However, I've received signs that I'm supposed to live in the twin cities, far away from family and friends, and what drove me to the twin cities was my illness. Yet it strongly feels it was meant to be.

    I know my wounds have lead me to help and inspire other people, so perhaps those wounds are for the greater good.

    The archetype of a shaman is "wounded healer", that to be wounded can better equip one to minister to others with the same wounds.

    Anyway, do you feel you were destined to live the life you are living where you are living? Does it seem like it was meant to be?

    Even mistakes seem to be vital learning experiences, don't you think?
     
  2. Nakosis

    Nakosis Time Efficient Lollygagger
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    Of course mistakes are vital learning experiences, that doesn't mean IMO we were meant to make them.

    I've also before felt destined to make a particular decision in a particular direction. I assumed it would all work out somehow because there was "destiny". What happened was meant to happen.

    I thought I could jump in head first and the current would take me wherever I was supposed to go.

    Some of those choices really screwed up my life. I'd have been much better off not having made them. Easy to see now I made a decision and relied on blind chance.

    You can use your intuition, there's really no guarantee that's going to be best for you though.

    Best to look into your choices as thoroughly as possible. See where the benefits really exist. A choice when based on knowledge is going to be much better than one based on intuition.

    What you know you know. What you don't know, you're left with feelings. Feelings are not reliable. Actors tend to glorify the "gut feeling" in movies. Just keep in mind that's all been scripted.

    Do what you think is best, but knowledge is better than feelings.
     
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  3. Nous

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    I have no belief in "fate" because I know of no evidence by which to conclude that the future is determined. Indeed, the scientific evidence demonstrates that the thesis of determinism is false.
     
  4. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    Ultimately everyone's destiny is to be united with God. The biggest factor is time. For a particular life, there are particular goals that the soul has in mind. The answers are ultimately within oneself and outside oneself because the 'self' is ultimately an illusion that disappears.

    Very much so. It felt like we got married to finish working out karma between us.

    I hope I'm fulfilling it. But from the song "Begin the Beguine" And now when I hear people curse the chance that was wasted, I know but too well what they mean I hope I'm not one of those that will curse the missed chance.

    I don't know the purpose but developing compassion is always a goal.

    In the end, I don't think there are mistakes. When a child is learning to walk, he or she falls often. They're not really making a mistake but are taking a step in learning. So too I believe that's true about life for adults.
     
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  5. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    I think not.

    Although, there is proof of that God will prescribe a purpose or fate on some people. This is usually very hard on the person/people, but pays off for them in the end. The entire Hebrew race since creation up til today and beyond. Job, comes to mind, Adam and Eve, Noah, Moses, Enoch (not me the real one), Abraham,etc. But also others who you would not expect like the Pharaoh in Egypt, who God hardened his heart, Esau who he hated before he was ever born (hate meaning loved less), and others.

    But perhaps so. I think back on my life and how certain pain in the past did help me accomplish good things today. So mayhap destiny is a thing.

    Sorry very conflicting views I know. But i gues i should say is.

    I don't know.

    Tschűss!
     
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  6. Nakosis

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    How do you know that?
    Not picking on you but I used to feel the same way.
    When I honestly looked at my beliefs about God I had to admit to myself, I didn't know anything about God.

    I just assumed a lot about God with nothing to base that knowledge on. It'd be nice to believe but really belief based on what? My desire to continue to exist? My desire to have an all powerful being be looking out for my best interest.

    My stance as a atheist now is really just a position saying not that there is no God but that man really has no knowledge about a God.

    A "believer" feels they possess certainty about God. IMO the position of an atheist is that man possesses no certainty about God, none at all. That is, again IMO, the honest and ethical position to take.

    Claims about knowledge of God, I think are dishonest. That is, no offense having been there myself, how I view statements claiming knowledge of God.
     
  7. Jumi

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    There's no fate, we have have the capability to choose our own. Yet we have a destiny, we couldn't be anyone else than we are.
     
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  8. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I think it's fate to live and die. Destiny only goes so far in face of impermanence.

    Maybe destiny is simply resigning to one's fate.
     
  9. PureX

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    I deliberately refrain from contemplating and forming beliefs about the possibility of fate and destiny because to do so would be to engage in 'superstition'. And I have learned from past experience that superstitions are not a healthy area of thought for me to engage in.
     
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  10. SabahTheLoner

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    Fate and destiny only truely exist if we decide they exist.
     
  11. URAVIP2ME

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    I find God hardened Pharaoh's heart in the sense that ' God allowed Pharaoh to harden his own heart ' as we can read at Exodus 8:15 and Exodus 8:32 and that included the people mentioned at 1 Samuel 6:6.

    I also find there is a difference between fate and purpose.
    You might find Ecclesiastes 7:17 to be of interest because a person by being foolish can have an early death.
    God's original purpose for mankind is to live forever on Earth as was offered to Adam before his downfall.
    Jesus came to restore that earthly purpose for the majority of mankind to inherit the Earth as per Matthew 5:5.
    Jesus was making reference to that promise regarding Earth as recorded at Psalms 37:9-11, 29.
    Some people ( like king David ) will be ' princes ' in the Earth as per Psalms 45:16; Isaiah 32:1; Ezekiel 34:24.
    They will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection. That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.... that includes David at Acts of the Apostles 2:34.
     
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  12. URAVIP2ME

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    Since Adam's downfall all that mankind has ever known is to live (be born) and die.
    Since we can Not resurrect oneself or another then we need someone who can do that for us.
    Without someone to resurrect us then all we would know is that we face death.
    I find according to Revelation 1:18 that Jesus has keys to unlock enemy death for us.
    Jesus will be resurrecting the majority of mankind to inherit the Earth in perfect physical health.
    So, the majority of mankind is destined, so to speak, to have the same opportunity to live forever on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.
    That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......
    To do away with enemy death on Earth is why Jesus did what he did for us - 1 Corinthians 15:26.
     
  13. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    There's solace to be had in view of a universe that enables the rise of life as much as life falls away.

    The proverbial "Garden of Eden" in a manner of speaking, never really goes away, even after I'm gone, to what is termed, "original face".

    I think the various interpretations of some foundational truths of the universe, reflect within the passages and narratives of many religious writings and scriptures.

    I see life itself as a resurrection of form by which the resurrected fall back within something that is eternal and substantial continually bringing about new form and substance.

    In my view, for as long as such a view lasts, fate and destiny become colloquial terms.
     
  14. sun rise

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    There's another thread related to this one. But I will say you believe in one thing that I also believe in: pursuing the truth.
     
  15. LukeS

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    I believe in fate, as a Muslim, but its an article of faith, and belongs to the unseen (i.e. the 'ghayb') or in modern terms, its untestable by observation.
     
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  16. URAVIP2ME

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    I think there could be many that share the ^ above ^ viewpoint.
    I find many think there is a part of them that is on-going eternal or death proof.
    That thinking does Not match the account about mortal Adam.
    There is Nothing in Scripture teaching that Adam was eternal or death proofed.
    Mortal Adam could only gain ' everlasting life ' on Earth if he decided to keep God's Law.
    In other words, mortal Adam could 'live forever' (eternal life) only if he obeyed God's Law.
    Breaking the Law meant going back to No more life for mortal Adam.
    Mortal Adam, as Genesis 3:19 says, he ' returned ' back to where he started the dust of the ground.
     
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