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Featured What are the qualities of a Holy person , in your own words

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ideogenous_mover, Jan 16, 2020.

  1. ideogenous_mover

    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    So through the lens of your individual philosophy, be it spiritual or even atheistic, tell me all the attributes that you think a 'Holy' person should have. How do they live, what is their personality, what is their behavior at all the times in their life. Also, please don't name an existing character from religious history as a direct reference, I want you formulate an ideal without that level of 'ease.' And if you would refrain from merely mentioning a holy figure from history, we might instead analyze what holiness is on a more particulate level, to see if there is a mechanical pattern to it.

    For I think that we often relegate our holy figures to be ossified in considerable stratums of history, for to live and walk the earth in any current moment of reality often seems vilifying, does it not? Therefore to simply name an ancient saint is too easy, as time has washed his bones of the hairyness of reality. Who among the living is not free of public judgement, which celebrity, politician, or spiritual figure? Even the pope might occasionally bat an eye to jar his lookers.

    And if possible, don't even bring your religion itself into aid with your description, as to try to get an even more objective sense of this. If you are an atheist, read 'holy' as 'ideal'
     
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  2. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    The person should fulfill his/her 'dharma', i.e., be humane in his actions and fulfill whatever his/her responsibilities are.

    "Fearlessness; purification of one’s existence; cultivation of spiritual knowledge; charity; self-control; performance of sacrifice; study of the Vedas; austerity; simplicity; nonviolence; truthfulness; freedom from anger; renunciation; tranquillity; aversion to faultfinding; compassion for all living entities; freedom from covetousness; gentleness; modesty; steady determination; vigor; forgiveness; fortitude; cleanliness; and freedom from envy and from the passion for honor – these transcendental qualities, O son of Bharata (Arjuna), belong to godly men endowed with divine nature." Bhagawad Gita 16.1-3

    Note: Renuncition here does not mean becoming a monk. It means renunciation of attachment.
    Also please note that worship of any God or Goddess is not mentioned as part of being a godly man endowed with divine nature. That is optional.
     
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  3. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Genuine.
    True.
    Free from Status and Mammon.
    Respecting Nature.
    Humble.
    Humanitarian.
     
  4. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    A holy person is someone who sees God "face to face" or has become God and who therefore is all loving and filled with joy. That person sees people's innermost self and always has the attitude "how can I help".
     
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    A holy person is just like me, you, and the person beside me. I see people once in a blue moon who know they have ills and all of that and they have an aura about them whether from their religion or whatever that "brings them alive." That freedom and just plain sense of humanness is what I'd call "ideal" or holy.

    If it's someone I have to aspire to in order for him or her to be holy, for me is counterproductive. I like cultures where the master bows down to his disciple and vis versa. Anything other than that sounds too much like master/slave relationship and turns me off-not holy whatsoever. aka. I don't see holiness in authority.
     
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    The qualities of a noble or holy person is freedom from body-
    consciousness or identification with the temporary mind-body complex and identification with the eternal soul instead.

    The Brahmakumaris teach that each sentient being is an eternal soul in a temporary body.

    Negative vicious behaviour or evil stems from body-consciousness or identification with the temporary body instead of the eternal soul.

    All vices such as lust, greed, anger, ego,attachment, jealousy can be traced to be the origin of all crimes or negative conduct such as rape, murder, robbery, violence,selfishness and the like. And all such vices have their origin in body-consciousness or identification with the body.

    Through soul-consciousness, or the constant consciousness of being an eternal soul lodged in a temporary body, one can steer clear of these vices and be anchored in virtues like truthfulness, nonviolence,righteousness,generosity, sweet and loving disposition.


    ‘’When individuals of any age learn to turn inward and connect with their innate, divine nature and it’s Source, then, regardless of circumstances, they experience and express true peace and happiness.This is why spiritual education is the need of the hour.’’ Dadi Ratan Mohini ( Prajapita Brahmakumaris)


    What is Soul Consciousness? | Inspired Stillness | Brahma Kumaris
     
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  7. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Smiles a lot

    Kind but vacant stare

    Wears pajamas with a cape.

    ..Oh...wait a minute, scratch that last one. That's a superhero.

    . . And wraps himself with blankets including arms that are built in sporting sagging cufflinks. That's very important for holiness.

    Hat is optional.
     
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    A holy person:
    1) Not judging feelings and/or (non) faith of anyone
    2) Not teaching that 1 religion is holier than another religion
    3) Not teaching that Atheism/Humanism is "inferior" or even worse, that Atheism/Humanism is "bad"
    4) Teaching it is good "not to hurt other creatures/humans", as all have feelings that can be hurt
    5) Tells me if I make mistakes

    Would be nice if He gives a proper definition of God
    Would be nice if He grants me the experience of what "God is"
    Would be nice if He explains everything about Creation ... how it really happened

    And would be nice if He gives the Atheists the proof "that God does exists"
    And when trying to convince the Atheists, I like Him to give me the proof too:D

    Hypothetical; I assume the "Holy person believes in God" ... or even better "knows God exists"
     
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    - freedom from emotional reaction
    - humble
    - has a presence
    - contented
    - wise
    - reflective
    - tolerant
    - non-judgemental
    - aloof
    - lives simply
     
  10. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    IMHO, does not become a God but abandons duality, becomes one with the universe. Our books say 'Brahma veda, brahmaiva bhavati' (One who comes to know Brahman, verily becomes Brahman). Brahman is what constitutes all things in the universe.
     
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  11. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    In all seriousness the most holy people are the dead ones.

    Guess you could say they 'know' first-hand the real deal.
     
  12. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    1. You can define what does not exist in any way you like.
    2. Different people will describe it in different ways, but by then, you will have your own definition from which you would not budge, come whatever may.
    3. Everything about creation cannot be explained at the moment, if someone claims that - it is falsehood. However, science can give you the direction, show you the path, but we have to travel a long distance.
    4. & 5. again, how can one give a proof of what does not exist? One can only tell lies.
    Does not one know that even while living? The dead will not come to explain it.
     
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    A good hint would be if they dont tell you about it.
     
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    freedom from emotional reaction?
     
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    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but you understand why that could be right, because if someone is only written about, aren't they susceptible to being idealized and romanticized
     
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    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    So in other words, you're saying they should be really humble right
     
  17. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Read recently - 'sandal would be known by its scent even if one does not see it'.
    There is a problem here, Nowhere Man. One going to heaven will not know about hell, and one going to hell will not know about heaven and the 72 houris. So, we will need to get information from two people who have gone to different places.
     
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    I tend to say what I mean.
     
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    1) Yes. You can define "what does not exist" in any way. I will never stop you.
    2) I get it. You will not budge, come whatever may. I'm fine with that too.
    3) Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong. I see you really believe in science
    4/5) You try to convince me or yourself?
     
  20. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Yeah, I believe in science, checked, checked, and checked at every step. Why should I take the trouble to define what does not exist. Let theists do that. I can try to define Brahman, that is my thing. Theists should provide at least a shred of evidence for atheists to believe in God or Soul.
     
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