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Featured What are the biggest problems between the religious and non-religious

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by We Never Know, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    What are the biggest arguments/disagreements between religious and non-religious groups(see below for examples) and why does it matter to you.
    -faith
    -god existing/not existing
    -evolution
    -science in general
    -the bible stories
    -etc

    Why does it matter so much to each side on what the others accept or what the others believe?
     
  2. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    It seems to me that the main problem here is in reaching some common basis of understanding of what constitutes religious ideas.

    Most of the items in your list are not religious matters in any way, shape or form.
     
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    As a liberal I believe in secular states over theocratic ones.
    The reason I care about what others believe is because I don’t want my secular nation changed into a theocracy.
     
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  4. We Never Know

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    Hmmm. And to think I thought the bible stories, god, and faith had to do with religion. Can you elaborate why they don't?
     
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    it's that sense of direction.....as we approach the grave

    I do suspect...mindset is important

    death takes one and all
    what happens after that last breath is pivoted on your belief
    or lack thereof
     
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    I learned that everyone is climbing up or sliding down on evolution of consciousness ladder. I understand that very slowly we going up on average. There are non human entities that want us up or down. Going up lead us to more mutual respect and care. I watch the progress on the ladder and try to help upward movement as much as my ego gets compressed.
     
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  7. LuisDantas

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    God is a religious concept... but belief in god, I strongly suspect, is actually a deviation from religion proper. It is certainly not healthy for religion far as I can see. Gods are not entities whose existence would be relevant for a proper religious practice, but rather who should be invoked as sources of inspiration with the proper care.

    Evolution falls under the field of biology. As so-called Creationism so painfully and so passionately shows, that is simply not within the scope of the Bible, and arguably not even of Christianity proper.

    The same argument applies to science in general; whatever merits the Bible may have, they are not scientific in nature, and IMO never attempted to be. But that is just a specific example of a more general situation: science is science. Religion is not expected to try to compete with it, mainly because it is ill suited for that purpose. Religion as I understand it is a tool for balancing individual and universal demands and needs. Science is a tool for learning about reality in a reliable way. The difference is quite significative.
     
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    The biggest problem is lack of tolerance for ideas that people disagree with.
     
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    Both religious and non religious can be horribly obnoxious too each other.:rolleyes:
     
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    Who owns different bits of land, whether certain actions or behaviours should be criminalised, how children should be brought up to best contribute to society. Basically the same arguments/disagreements that happen when religion isn’t involved too. Actually religious debates themselves aren’t specifically more important in the grand scheme of things (regardless of how important they might be to the individuals involved).

    Why does it matter so much to people what side we take on issues like immigration, healthcare or the military? Beliefs themselves aren’t an issue but beliefs typically lead to actions and consequences so regardless of what your beliefs are or what you base them on, they’re going to be or relevance to other people around you.
     
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    This again?

    Atheists who think rhetoric is a form of logic

    Atheists who insist that atheism can only be understood by atheists

    Atheists that reduce all the work written about Atheism to a single line dictionary entry

    Young earth creationists
     
  12. Mock Turtle

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    Often the quickest path from ignorance to arrogance and/or condescension
    Possibly the concept that there is any 'divine' creator, and the affirmative answer to such driving all sorts of fabrications, IMHO. Why does it matter? Because our lives are at stake. Division (as in all the various faiths) is not conducive to this.
     
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    -faith - I dont like the faith of Atheism. it can never be read in a book, studdied in a class, explained by an adherend, they change their stories every moment, and uses your unchangeble scriptures with deception.
    -god existing/not existing - He does, He even visited Mankind and lived with us.
    -evolution - another unproven theory which is disproved by many biologists such as Behe in his book "Darwins' black box. Atheists anyhow dont even know what darwin wrote.
    -science in general - Atheists gets mad when they find out that the Western civilisation's Christians were the ones who formulated science from the Bible. They hate to learn that every scientific principle was due to Christians who could think. newton said anyone who thought so long and hard about what he discovered would have come to the same conclusions he did. He also said Atheists are fools.
    -the bible stories - are the only stories on Earth that was supported by Archaeology during the past 200 years. prior to that Atheists critisized every fact from the Bible as fiction only to learn year by ear, digging by digging, discovery by discovery, that not a single archaeological evidence contradicted the Bible.
    -etc - Oh, ETC. is the thing we can talk about much longer, But I dont think the Atheists would like to learn how poorly their religion holds to the Christian one.
     
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    I personally dont care what someone believes, as
    long as it does not affect me.

    UNFORTUNATELY, the theists, as a historical and
    present thing, cannot stand it if they do not
    affect everyone and everything with their goofy ideas.
     
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    The goddies started it.
     
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    The bible writers had no concept of "science", but I very
    much doubt they wrote up the flood and that other
    garbage in the sure and certain knowledge that none
    of it was true.

    Concocting it into having been some sort of metagory
    now that the utter nonsense of it is so obvious,
    seems to me deeply ingenuous, at best.
     
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    the garden event was a science experiment
     
  18. We Never Know

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    From what I see a lot, both sides are pretty pushy.
     
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    Everyone dies. The disagreements are on what happens after one dies. Fact is no one knows.
     
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    If you are suggesting there is some sort of parity,
    that is very unrealistic.

    Atheism, unlike godism, is inherently a live and
    let live. It would be like two people who dont
    care a thing about football fighting over who
    is less interested or involved.

    The football people, otoh, can be quite obnoxious
    with taking over the schools, and, on another level,
    a friend of friend got fired from a construction
    job because he did not fit in-he was not a footballist.

    And as for atheists being pushy, "push back" is
    not at all the same as "push".

    All that I see atheists doing in the public arena
    is such as working to reverse the centuries old
    practices like forced prayers in school,
    and public money otherwise spent to promote
    someone's religious ideas.

    For that matter, atheists are not noted
    for dragging everyone into a war over
    who has the right brand of atheism.
     
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