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Featured What are some of your thoughts about Pacifists?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Conscious thoughts, Sep 19, 2021.

  1. Conscious thoughts

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    If I saw your kids being beaten on the street i would step between and take the beating for them,so they could run away to safety
     
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    That dude has too much time on his hands.
    Still, if he wants a more manageable and informative challenge, he should start playing Crusader Kings III as a pacifist.
     
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    And I respect that. It's an honorable choice. But I suppose that shorthand example was really just an amalgam of other thoughts and scenarios.
    Perhaps my kids can't run away, for some reason.
    Perhaps it's not a beating, but mortal danger.

    Etc, etc.

    I don't equate pacifism with cowardice (in many cases it is the opposite), but it does limit the pragmatic effect a person can have on an immediate situation.
    I've managed to live my life almost entirely without violence...however, I reserve the right to use violence, if only as a last resort, and so wouldn't refer to myself as a true pacifist despite how I've been able to live.
     
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    I somewhat admire pacifists although it isn't for me and I think it is neither practical nor morally right.
    For me violence is the very last resort and only justified in self defence. But sometimes you've got to kick a bullies butt do keep him from hurting more people. Less harm done over all and in the long run.
     
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  5. Conscious thoughts

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    I believe all pacifists should respect other peoples view and choice too :) if we don't how could we be taken seriously
     
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    Sure, but you can now stop saying that Gandhi liberated India through non violence as if he had done all the heavy lifting by himself because you know better now. There was a lot of violence and threat of violence involved.
     
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    Gandhi's enduring legacy lies in the affirmation that great things can be achieved through a mixture of courage and compassion, peacefully and in a spirit of love and forgiveness of one's enemies. His example served as an inspiration to the British Trade Union movement, the US Civil Rights movement, and the Anti-Apartheid movement in South Africa, to name but three.

    The only legacy of violence, is more violence. When tyranny and injustice are overthrown by violence, the result is always greater tyranny and worse injustice; the French and Russian revolutions are all the evidence you should require of that.
     
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    I doubt it was ever his intention to establish a dynasty, and he can hardly be held responsible for the failings of those who came after him.
     
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    That is something Gandhi has to answer for, i was not there
     
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    It is as if you are erasing from history the likes of Malcom X and Nelson Mandela.
     
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    You answer for what you say though.
     
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    I can only stand by my own action words and thoughts, what other pacifists do is up to them.
     
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    I have not blamed Gandhi. He was just a failed pacifist who could not avert partition of India. After independence, his words did not carry much weight. Patel (Vallabh Bhai) listened to it and dropped his candidacy for being the Prime Minister. The crown passed on to Nehru as Gandhi desired.
     
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    I think pacifists are generally fine but somewhat misguided. I don't think that the path to maximal peace always involves no violence at all.

    I also don't consider most religious "pacifists" to be actual pacifists. In my experience, a lot of people who refuse to participate in violence for religious reasons do so because they think that violence - when it's needed - is God's responsibility. IMO, a pacifist is someone who opposes all violence, so someone who supports violence when their god does it isn't a pacifist... even if they don't participate in violence themselves.
     
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    Not at all. Both are assured their place in history.

    Of course I consider Mandela, who quite clearly underwent an epiphany in prison and thereafter chose the path of non violence, to be by far the better role model.
     
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    Do you know how tiny i am in the eyes of Allah? How can i even question Allah’s decision?
     
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    So that's the reason you aren't a pacifist, IMO.

    If you don't believe that violence committed by God is unjustifiable, then you don't believe that violence is unjustifiable under all circumstances.

    You might believe that violence is justified in fewer situations than most people, but it sounds like you're still open to the idea that violence is sometimes justified.
     
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    You are free to believe what you wish :)
     
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    If you not vegetarian then you are not pacifist.
    I respect pacifist ideologies and ppl who choose to follow it, but I also believe that using force can be justified in many circumstances.
     
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    I am a vegetarian
     
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