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Were the idolaters justified in putting Abraham in the fire?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by paarsurrey, Feb 4, 2017.

  1. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    Were the idolaters justified in putting Abraham in the fire?
    They were not justified, not at all. Abraham had harmed nobody.
    Please
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  2. Kirran

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    It's not like all "idoolaters" did this. It's like asking 'Were the Muslims justified in killing Mansur Al-Hallaj?'
     
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  3. Augustus

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    Seems a bit harsh for religiously motivated vandalism and destruction of property.

    Perhaps a fine and some community service would have been more just, although it would be a much less impressive story if God's power only protected him from being harmed by the community service...
     
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  4. paarsurrey

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    How would one see it in the perspective of Human Rights in vogue these days? Please
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    Are the Taliban justified in burning Sufi shrines? At least Nimrod has an excuse - the people in those were not that civilized, but in this day and age, what is the Taliban's excuse ?
     
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    Was Abraham justified in listening to Yahweh about sacrificing Issac?
     
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    Please provide historical evidence that any of this is anything but Muslim made stories to demonize idolators. Regards.
     
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    Give the Jews their due, it was their tradition first.
     
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    That Abraham was put on fire for breaking idols??
     
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    I wasn't aware that Abraham had been thrown in a fire. Where is this story from?
     
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    Nimrod had Abram thrown into prison and condemned to death by fire. Hundreds of people crowded to watch the son of Prince Terah burn alive for disloyalty and disrespect towards the gods. For Abram had not kept quiet when he was brought before the king. He accused Nimrod of reducing his people to the idolatrous state of the generation before the Flood. When Abram was condemned to die by fire, he exclaimed before the court that Nimrod had no power against the will of G‑d. The fire could never harm him if G‑d did not wish it to, for He who gave fire the strength to burn, could take it away. His courageous speech had spread all over the country, and everyone, rich and poor, young and old, was eager to find out whether Abram was right, or whether he was just a boastful dreamer.

    The Life of Our Forefather Abraham
     
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  12. sayak83

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    Cool, the Jews made up this non-Biblical story then to demonize the idolators.
     
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    Maybe the situation is that the idolaters believe their idol Gods exist, and Abraham's action and speeches have insult their Gods, they get angry and have to use violence to punish Abraham.

    Abraham's idol God is similary immatual and immoral as those idolaters, base on many immatual and immoral behavior or action done by the God as written in the ot.
    That does make sense, because according to the scripture man is created in the image of god.
    The Abraham's God is a dictator tyranny, according to scripture every non-follower is to be burn forever in sheol because they don't follow that God.

    Dictator tyranny God wants his creation (which create in his dictator tyranny image) to fully under its dictate, how does that work?
     
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    One may like to read post Post #333 in another thread from a Judaism source. Please
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    Still not historical. Just a story.