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Featured Were the four canonical gospels in the New Testament revealed?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by firedragon, Jun 9, 2021.

  1. firedragon

    firedragon Veteran Member

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    In this topic which sprung up from another thread, I would like to see the evidence to why you would think the four canonical gospels are revealed by God.
     
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    In Summary, I believe in Torah, Psalms, Gospels books between, because they can only be spoken about by God in the same way I believe in the Quran can only be truth spoken by God but they are severely mistranslated and some parts clearly fabricated and a contradiction to the main message within. For example, the way Seth is introduced in Torah and confirmed in Quran without explicitly naming him, to me is a divine miracle in itself. The connection Quran has and comments on these divine books are a miracle for me. The Quran is a light in itself and clarifies itself, but if studied with ahadith you gain insights to it faster and dispel dark magic. When Quran and Sunnah is studied with Bible, more light and mental clarity is gained as well.

    It may look like Jesus is emphasizing on himself only in the Gospels, but at the end when he talks about the comforter, the message to me is clear, and it's from God, that children of Israel had holy anointed kings by God that was instances of the holy spirit but squandered this gift. He talks about the comforter in a way that is clearly saying all that I emphasized on myself really was to prepare the way for him and to know while I'm gone, you will have one here (Elyas on earth) but to prepare yourself for the one who will come and also be a instance of the holy spirit like me.

    The way Quran paraphrases Moses words about Aaron and what Torah says about Moses saying originally, is a miracle in itself.

    And Gospels is God talking about the relationship of himself through his chosen words of light in a way that is a very assertive, and Quran emphasized on believing what is before Quran for a reason.

    When you understand why you need chosen guides and their light, the beauty of gospels is so beautiful.

    Jesus is not talking about himself only, he is talking about all anointed kings of God and he also corrects where the books before that were either corrupted or mistranslated or misinterpreted.

    We can look at some of the content, but, like an Atheist asking why you believe Quran is from God, at the end the proof is in the pudding.
     
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    The way the Gospels talk about the holy spirit and the way Quran confirms this concept, to me, proves volumes of truth.

    The holy spirit is NOT what Christians say (overall, the exception are JW and similar sects maybe they understood correctly).
     
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    By the way, though Quran doesn't talk about all Prophets and all divine books found in the earth, it teaches how to confirm and see their truth of what remains. Aside from Biblical texts, for example, the Kybalion to me is mostly like from Idris (a) from God. If not him, another Prophet for sure.

    I believe the Kybalion has a different flavor from God then the Quran, but is also from God and has to be. It's not something humans can just write up from my viewpoint.
     
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    Who named those four books?
     
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    So, do you consider every word of the four canonical gospels to be Gods revelation or parts of it?
     
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    Doesn't matter, infancy gospels are not established historically and are even said to be fabrications by being late in appearance, but their content for example is alluded in Quran a lot. They have less historical credibility but you got to put aside history and the methods when studying religion in my view.

    When Quran comments on stories and they are found directly infancy gospels, God knows we will make a connection. It can't be coincidence.

    And the way I understand Quran talks about disciples and God saying to them believe in me, for a reason. The reason is because each of the gospels was paraphrased differently to each disciple and together they all of the good news from God (the Gospel).The four are some of what remained of the gospel(s).

    The infancy Gospels which are not commonly accepted, have a lot on confirmation in Quran. For example, Isa (a) talking while a baby is in there, but not the canonical ones.

    Some historians say there is no proof for Mohammad (s) existing. How credible you take the historians and their way of history vs letting God's words speak for themselves and prove things is a test all humans had in ALL centuries.
     
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    I only disagree with what it has said on divorce and some things on women inferiority. That's all. Everything else I can't find fault with.
     
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    So your theory is, if there is anything similar to the Quran in any book in the world, that book is "revealed", not human work! Is that right?
     
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    I do not believe God speaks 'words' but through inspiration to a chosen few, Abraham , Moses, direct revelation, who in turn, in human words, reveal to others God's will, making public the revelation received in a personal mystical encounter with God. And this will of God must be made known in a way proportionate to man's way of being. It must be adapted to man's way of thinking and living if he is to grasp it. It must go from the natural which is known by man to the supernatural which is unknown. God must take men as they are, use what they know, make use of their human institutions and customs and transform them. The similarities between the Sinai Covenant and the Hittite suzerainty pacts that existed in the time of Moses, a well known form of international covenant made between king and vassal peoples for which there is clear documentary evidence from the kingdom of the Hittites.
     
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    Why doesnt it matter?

    If it was not named as Gospel by God, then how do you assess they are Gospels? So how could it be that "it doesnt matter"?
     
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    No, but if you study how for example Quran emphasized on pairs and you read the Kyballion, you will see a lot of it is confirmed. This is not how you know text is from God. God knows how to prove words are from him, but Kyballion is highly eloquent in it's own way. Arabic is not the only way to be eloquent and not the only way to prove things. Quran is not the only proof from God.

    There are proofs all over the earth. Even some of the narratives from native Americans and songs they say, are originally revealed by God. You just have to listen carefully and you will see God breathes not only through Quran but everywhere in all lands. Yes, some of it distorted, not all of it protected, but over all, there are proofs all over the earth like Quran confirms.
     
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    So the criteria is arbitrary. Just deny what you dont like, and accept everything else! Is it?
     
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    Proof in the pudding approach. Same approach with hadiths, I don't even look at chains or care what people say about the men in those chains.
     
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    This thread is about the Gospels.
     
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    This thread is about the four canonical gospels in the NT.
     
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    Atheists can accuse all Theists about their religion that way, but what I see, is God breathing through out the earth in clear proofs. Quran is not the only book from God. It's the last one and protected, but not the one and only.
     
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    Probably not, in the sense that Moslems consider the Quran to have been revealed to Mohammad. Nor in the sense that Revelation was revealed to it's writer by God through His angel. Neither Matthew, Mark, Luke nor John make such a claim, nor do they infer it (though the opening verses of John's Gospel do perhaps lend themselves to such an interpretation).

    However, I do believe that the four Gospels represent a sincere attempt by their writers, to pass on the word of God as it was revealed to Jesus of Nazareth, and shared by him with his followers. I am willing to believe that the writers themselves were divinely inspired; that an unseen hand guided the hand which held the pen, if you like. I don't believe they were God's secretaries, taking down his dictation word for word.
     
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    Brother. All of that is not relevant. Please refer to the OP.
     
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    But I'm saying how you know anything is from God. I know some people who study hindu texts and are Muslims and think highly of them.

    The first rule in Quran about divine revelation, is not to trust fallibles to interpret for you, sure if you take authorities to be priests or Rabbis - then we too afraid to read Bible, because it would lead astray. You go beyond that, and everything from Quran to Gospels to Torah, books between, and books from God all over the earth become easy to see when they are from God.

    Of course a lot of those books have fabrication, but the way God talks, he talks differently, and subtly reveals secrets in ways humans cannot.
     
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