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Well, well, well...FBI raid Jeffrey Clark's home, take his electronics.

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It mentioned 10 crimes of obstruction as I recall.

Obstruction of Justice in the Mueller Report: A Heat Map

The interesting thing about Clark being investigated is that there is evidence that he committed a crime. One of the crimes is likely to be conspiracy, and as we know a conspiracy involves more than one person. At least one of the other people is trump since he was the person all these crimes aim to benefit. Clark plead the 5th over 100 times and that suggests some consciousness of guilt of committing a crime. That he also asked for a pardon suggests he was aware that his acts may have been criminal. People acting comfortably within the law do not fear being indicted for crimes. The question now is what Clark did, and will he be motivated to testify against Trump.
One, ten . . . Tomato-Potahtoe. I was going to be outraged at spoiling a test for the Trump supporters, but we all know that they would never have gotten it.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
To paraphrase Martin Niemöller‘s poem,

First they came for Jeffery Clark. But I didn’t speak out...

Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.

Those of you applauding need to wake up.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
To paraphrase Martin Niemöller‘s poem,

First they came for Jeffery Clark. But I didn’t speak out...

Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
That's why you hire a criminal defense lawyer like the rest of these people who conspired with Trump.

The real solution is to not be a criminal in the first place and learn to value ethics.

Those of you applauding need to wake up.
No one is applauding. The rational are glad justice is being served.

You seem to be sympathetic to the criminal conspiracy that aimed to defraud the American voters, and dislike that it's being exposed. Is this the case? If so, why?
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You think that poem was about them coming for individuals who are rich and powerful?

I do not think you understood it.
I think it was about coming after those that threaten an authoritarian regime. It fits. Methinks it is you that doesn’t understand the poem.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
That's why you hire a criminal defense lawyer like the rest of these people who conspired with Trump.

The real solution is to not be a criminal in the first place and learn to value ethics.


No one is applauding. The rational are glad justice is being served.

You seem to be sympathetic to the criminal conspiracy that aimed to defraud the American voters, and dislike that it's being exposed. Is this the case? If so, why?
Mr. Clark has been charged with a crime? Was the 4th Amendment repealed?
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Aah, I see, you are rather confused. The authoritarian regime was the one that lost the election.
It is the Biden administration that is behaving authoritarian. I could explain why, but I don’t think you are open minded enough to hear it.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It is the Biden administration that is behaving authoritarian. I could explain why, but I don’t think you are open minded enough to hear it.
No, no, no. You appear to be very very confused. They were not the one that tried to stage a coup.

And you are now crossing the border into personal attacks. I guess when the facts disagree with you that is all that you can do.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Mr. Clark has been charged with a crime? Was the 4th Amendment repealed?
The latest news about Clark is available from reputable news sources. He is at the next level of criminal investigation. The first level is interviews and accumulating evidence. This level is based on adequate evidence to use a search warrant. If you think his rights are being violated by all means present your evidence and a coherent argument. Do you have either? Do you think you know better than the FBI and federal investigators?

Mr. Clark hasn’t been charged with any crime. You talk like some authoritarian Jack boot.
There is adequate evidence that he committed a crime.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No, no, no. You appear to be very very confused. They were not the one that tried to stage a coup.

And you are now crossing the border into personal attacks. I guess when the facts disagree with you that is all that you can do.
Yes, yes, yes, you are the actual one confused. Biden and the Trump haters are trampling civil rights. But they are blinded in their obsessions. They don’t even notice that they are losing the argument in the street by corrupt and high handed tactics.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I think it was about coming after those that threaten an authoritarian regime. It fits. Methinks it is you that doesn’t understand the poem.
Well I look forward to hearing you speak out when they do come for the socialists (again).

And when they come for the homosexuals (again).

And when they come for the transsexuals (again).

And when they come for the immigrants (again)



When you reference that poem, it is like making a pledge, a pledge that you will speak out.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Mr. Clark hasn’t been charged with any crime. You talk like some authoritarian Jack boot.

That is hilarious considering that is whom you supported. A search warrant usually precedes an arrest. It is actually "thuggery" to arrest someone without sufficient evidence. For example in my state:

Any district or municipal court judge, in the county in which the offense is alleged to have occurred, may issue a search warrant for any person or evidence located anywhere within the state. If the jurisdiction of a district or municipal court encompasses all or part of more than one county, a judge for that district or municipal court may issue a search warrant for any person or evidence located anywhere within the state as long as the county in which the offense is alleged to have occurred is one of the counties encompassed within that court's jurisdiction.

Do you read anything at all about an arrest preceding a search warrant? They need fairly strong probably cause. Do you seriously think that they do not have that?

EDIT: Almost forgot the link to my source:

RCW 2.20.030: Issuance of search warrants by district and municipal court judges—Jurisdiction in more than one county.

Do you want the standards from another state? Evidence gathering should be done before an arrest. An arrest is far more serious than a search warrant. And yes, the man's Fourth Amendment rights would have been duly observed. The Fourth Amendment does not ban search warrants.
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Yes, yes, yes, you are the actual one confused. Biden and the Trump haters are trampling civil rights. But they are blinded in their obsessions. They don’t even notice that they are losing the argument in the street by corrupt and high handed tactics.
What civil rights are being trampled? Once again that is Trump's MO. He is the one that is antichoice after all.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I have a question that might be fun for you to try to answer:

How do your mostly baseless responses that adulate right-wing theocracy comport with your stated religion of "philosophical Buddhism?"

I mean, at the very least, you have to suppose that the word "philosophical" must imply "love of knowledge," for which you show no evidence whatever.
Twilight doesn't need to be a Christian in order to value personal liberty, freedom and true justice not the just for us version that Democrats favor.
 
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