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Well done People's Republic of California. You have now achieved third world conditions.

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
ROFL, another op-ed in a right wing rag no one reads. Where do you find this sh*t?

Again, when were you here last?

And what should we do about homelessness? Come on, if you actually care about this issue, what do you have to say about it other than throwing stones at evil libs? Let's hear it.

You tell me, there's not a Republican in sight in California. The socialist Democrats are the party in charge over there with all the answers.

Wheres that wonderful Utopia that's being promised to people? We're all eagerly waiting to be schooled.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
You tell me, there's not a Republican in sight in California. The socialist Democrats are the party in charge over there with all the answers.

Wheres that wonderful Utopia that's being promised to people? We're all eagerly waiting to be schooled.

:rolleyes: Got it, you have nothing substantive to say and are simply trolling and strawmanning. When you're ready to actually respond to my questions, let me know.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
:rolleyes: Got it, you have nothing substantive to say and are simply trolling and strawmanning. When you're ready to actually respond to my questions, let me know.

I'm sure in the meantime all the rampant urine and defecations, needles, and surfacing medieval diseases will be effectively on the other side of the wall with the pristine veneer of Californias dystopia as the bastion of incredible success and prosperity will be promptly placed in the forefront by the aloof as the last bit of life is effectively leached out of the human trash by the socialist parasites and elites who govern there.

I suppose Forbes is a right wing rag as well..

Why California Keeps Making Homelessness Worse

Cant help myself.

Chow.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm sure in the meantime all the rampant urine and defecations, needles, and surfacing medieval diseases will be effectively on the other side of the wall with the pristine veneer of Californias dystopia as the bastion of incredible success and prosperity will be promptly placed in the forefront by the aloof as the last bit of life is effectively leached out of the human trash by the socialist parasites and elites who govern there.

I suppose Forbes is a right wing rag as well..

Why California Keeps Making Homelessness Worse

Cant help myself.

Chow.

Jesus, at least read what you link.

"Everyone I spoke to hopes that the current crisis makes all sides less dogmatic. Something like that happened at the federal level after a mentally ill man killed 20 elementary school children in 2012. Democrats and Republicans found common ground on sweeping mental health reform legislation in 2015. “It wasn’t a Democrat or Republican thing,” says Snook.

Steinberg, for his part, would like to see legislation codifying his “right/obligation to shelter” framework, which blends the traditional liberal emphasis on rights and care with the traditional conservative emphasis on order. “I’m open to more carrots and sticks and would be for an obligation to seek shelter. I don’t think living outside is a civil right,” he told me. “We back, philosophically, ‘Housing First’… but if all we did was permanent housing, it would be until 2037 before we housed every person on the streets in the Bay Area.”

It’s hard to see any of what needs to happen as particularly partisan. “The key is focusing services on the seriously ill,” argues Snook. “You provide extended care. You open up beds for when they are stable. You provide care to people to stay out of the system.” What about the homeless who are not mentally ill? Focus on the hardest population first, he urged. “Once you get that population addressed, you can move on to the others. This is what New York City did. Once you get that population serviced, you’re not in crisis mode anymore, and you free up money for everyone else.” "

Huh. When you cite reasonably credible sources, turns out they don't scream about the evils of socialism. Please learn.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Jesus, at least read what you link.

"Everyone I spoke to hopes that the current crisis makes all sides less dogmatic. Something like that happened at the federal level after a mentally ill man killed 20 elementary school children in 2012. Democrats and Republicans found common ground on sweeping mental health reform legislation in 2015. “It wasn’t a Democrat or Republican thing,” says Snook.

Steinberg, for his part, would like to see legislation codifying his “right/obligation to shelter” framework, which blends the traditional liberal emphasis on rights and care with the traditional conservative emphasis on order. “I’m open to more carrots and sticks and would be for an obligation to seek shelter. I don’t think living outside is a civil right,” he told me. “We back, philosophically, ‘Housing First’… but if all we did was permanent housing, it would be until 2037 before we housed every person on the streets in the Bay Area.”

It’s hard to see any of what needs to happen as particularly partisan. “The key is focusing services on the seriously ill,” argues Snook. “You provide extended care. You open up beds for when they are stable. You provide care to people to stay out of the system.” What about the homeless who are not mentally ill? Focus on the hardest population first, he urged. “Once you get that population addressed, you can move on to the others. This is what New York City did. Once you get that population serviced, you’re not in crisis mode anymore, and you free up money for everyone else.” "

Huh. When you cite reasonably credible sources, turns out they don't scream about the evils of socialism. Please learn.
Well I guess I'll just have to see how bi-partisan it gets. Reforming section 8 housing perhaps?
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
By the way homeless crisis set aside, California has the most miserable cities in the entire nation.

That's based off census information from last year.

The 50 most miserable cities in America, based on census data

But of course, that will have nothing to do with politics and politicians I would haphazard to guess.

We have the most people, to start. We're also more welcoming to poor immigrants who come to our country with next to nothing.

It makes me laugh because I know some people who have moved to redder states in search of cheaper housing/cost of living. Turns out, as more people move to places like Idaho - gee, whaddaya know, things are getting more expensive there!
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
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Premium Member
The main culprit seems to be the housing crisis. Why in the world is housing so expensive over there?

Supply/demand, in part. We have more people, and people want to live here. We also have plenty of rich NIMBYs who refuse, at the local level, to let more housing be built. And a lot of areas are zoned only for single-family housing, so things like apartment complexes can't be built.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
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Premium Member
The poverty rate in California is about in the middle of the pack.

List of U.S. states and territories by poverty rate - Wikipedia

You should be looking at West Virginia, Louisianna, New Mexico and Mississippi. Not to mention the various US territories.

Although California does look pretty bad on the Supplemental Poverty Measure, which I'm still trying to figure out exactly what it is...
Its a warm state, so homeless people go there. The same goes for Hawaii.

What percentage of our military budget could nip most homelessness in the bud? Does it seem to you that our reps and senators treat the homeless like an enemy? How much would it cost, really, to get them some mental care and shelter instead of chasing them to warm climate states: California & Hawaii ? I'm guess it wouldn't cost anything near to our military or educational budgets or to the cost of sugar subsidies.

:rolleyes: Got it, you have nothing substantive to say and are simply trolling and strawmanning. When you're ready to actually respond to my questions, let me know.
Indeed. Homeless people are drawn to warm climes, and the homeless are usually people with serious problems. Some are mentally normative but have had a bad run of luck and, again, tried to find warmer climates. Its not as if California single=handedly produces homeless folks. Its got 48 other states producing them and shifting them. In the past most would have been arrested and imprisoned in some way. We've never truly had a way of dealing with our homeless except for through charities such as the YMCA which is no longer feasible what with the changes in laws about lawsuits. People are afraid to help the homeless now. They're afraid to try out questionable employees. They're afraid to let anyone squat on their land. Generally speaking this is not a friendly country for homeless people.

What's the game plan now Mister Chairman?
Its a national shame, not a California shame. Many municipalities are officious and smilingly encourage homeless to go to anywhere else, so homeless folks gravitate towards any place that they don't have to beg so much. Thus they go towards warmer climates. Honestly if I were homeless I'd be seriously thinking about going somewhere that I could live off the land, not be bothered by police and have some hope of recovering. California would be high on my list. Its the climate.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
What Republicans are in charge over there?

Can you find any? I know I can't.
So you didn't find the error in your post after all. Let me give you a hint: "Socialism" is a word that has a real meaning other than your personal pet definition of "thing I don't like".
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
So you didn't find the error in your post after all. Let me give you a hint: "Socialism" is a word that has a real meaning other than your personal pet definition of "thing I don't like".

Many Americans don't know what socialism is but love to use the word as an insult, a mirror to China or Russia.
 

anna.

but mostly it's the same
Its a warm state, so homeless people go there.

True.

What percentage of our military budget could nip most homelessness in the bud?

Bingo.

Indeed. Homeless people are drawn to warm climes, and the homeless are usually people with serious problems. Some are mentally normative but have had a bad run of luck and, again, tried to find warmer climates. Its not as if California single=handedly produces homeless folks. Its got 48 other states producing them and shifting them. In the past most would have been arrested and imprisoned in some way. We've never truly had a way of dealing with our homeless except for through charities such as the YMCA which is no longer feasible what with the changes in laws about lawsuits. People are afraid to help the homeless now. They're afraid to try out questionable employees. They're afraid to let anyone squat on their land. Generally speaking this is not a friendly country for homeless people.

Homelessness grew into what it is today for many reasons, but one that gets frequently overlooked is the emptying of mental institutions in the 60s and 70s. And even that isn't one reason but a complex combination of many factors.

Its a national shame, not a California shame. Many municipalities are officious and smilingly encourage homeless to go to anywhere else, so homeless folks gravitate towards any place that they don't have to beg so much. Thus they go towards warmer climates. Honestly if I were homeless I'd be seriously thinking about going somewhere that I could live off the land, not be bothered by police and have some hope of recovering. California would be high on my list. Its the climate.

Unfortunately, a large percentage of homeless are mentally ill or dealing with addictions that prevent them from making rational decisions beyond the instinct for survival. There are no easy answers.
 

anna.

but mostly it's the same

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So you didn't find the error in your post after all. Let me give you a hint: "Socialism" is a word that has a real meaning other than your personal pet definition of "thing I don't like".
No. Socialism is a term that changes on the fly with those who want accommodation.

Even those from actual socialist countries are getting lectured on the meaning of the term.
 
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