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We know that Jesus was born in the year 6 BC, then why is the calendar counting from the year "0"?

Paris Derbe

GOD IS TRUTH
Hi there Forum Brothers and Sisters

So, if we know that our Lord and Savoir was born in 6 BC, why do we persist in saying it's 2018 when it should be 2012? If as practicing Christians we know that Adam was 12 when he was created in the last year of Day 6 of the creation (year 6000), then why isn't it really the year 2000?

Before you all jump on me. Consider the facts first. King Herod who died in 4 BC must have issued the proclamation to have all young males (up to 2 years old) killed in the year 6 BC at least! Astronomical evidence points to Jupiter and Mercury appearing in the night sky 2024 years ago (climaxing in November - the month of the birth of Lord Jesus Christ) to create a bright light in the sky that led to the 3 wise men attending the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ.

In the case of Adam, it makes sense that he was created as a pre-pubescent so that he could teach his future offspring about the changes in their body's. Also, as you are aware, 12 is a number that is highly significant in the Bible as it symbolizes GOD's power and authority, as well as serving as a perfect governmental foundation.

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Phantasman

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I see this as just another twist on orthodoxy.

John 6:32 is enough for me to leave Moses (view of God) behind, and to see only the Gospel Christ teaches.
 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
Hi there Forum Brothers and Sisters

So, if we know that our Lord and Savoir was born in 6 BC, why do we persist in saying it's 2018 when it should be 2012? If as practicing Christians we know that Adam was 12 when he was created in the last year of Day 6 of the creation (year 6000), then why isn't it really the year 2000?

Before you all jump on me. Consider the facts first. King Herod who died in 4 BC must have issued the proclamation to have all young males (up to 2 years old) killed in the year 6 BC at least! Astronomical evidence points to Jupiter and Mercury appearing in the night sky 2024 years ago (climaxing in November - the month of the birth of Lord Jesus Christ) to create a bright light in the sky that led to the 3 wise men attending the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ.

In the case of Adam, it makes sense that he was created as a pre-pubescent so that he could teach his future offspring about the changes in their body's. Also, as you are aware, 12 is a number that is highly significant in the Bible as it symbolizes GOD's power and authority, as well as serving as a perfect governmental foundation.

Please download the attached document for this discussion and other extremely interesting information about our Holy Bible written by our GOD JEHOVAH THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING.

All power, glory and respect to GOD ALMIGHTY.
According to another calculation, he was born 2BC. Does it really matter that much? If we use the date of his death, his birth year becomes a bit obvious.
I can elaborate if you desire.
 

Paris Derbe

GOD IS TRUTH
According to another calculation, he was born 2BC. Does it really matter that much? If we use the date of his death, his birth year becomes a bit obvious.
I can elaborate if you desire.

The secular historical evidence is that Herod died in 4 BC, so it makes sense that he ordered the death of new born infants and those up to 2 years old to be killed at least 2 years before i.e. 6 BC.

Yes, it does matter that HE was born in the year 6 BC because it goes to show that the devil will stop at nothing to totally deceive Christ's true followers and GOD's chosen people. Also, doesn't it look highly suspicious that the Lord Jesus Christ is made to appear that he was born "6" years before? A number associated with imperfection. What does the Holy Bible say:

Matthew 2:1-2

After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born King of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him.”

Doesn't the truth matter anymore? Isn't receiving the Holy Spirit which imputes truth and wisdom to a righteous person fundamental to being Godly?

What does the Holy Bible say:

“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him” (Eph. 1:17).
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
The secular historical evidence is that Herod died in 4 BC, so it makes sense that he ordered the death of new born infants and those up to 2 years old to be killed at least 2 years before i.e. 6 BC.
However, the Gospels also talk about how the census before Jesus's birth was when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Quirinius became governor in 6 CE.

Census of Quirinius - Wikipedia

Yes, it does matter that HE was born in the year 6 BC because it goes to show that the devil will stop at nothing to totally deceive Christ's true followers and GOD's chosen people. Also, doesn't it look highly suspicious that the Lord Jesus Christ is made to appear that he was born "6" years before?
No, it doesn't seem suspicious at all.

If you're interested in what we know of the actual story, here's an overview article:

Anno Domini - Wikipedia

A number associated with imperfection. What does the Holy Bible say:

Matthew 2:1-2

After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born King of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him.”

Doesn't the truth matter anymore? Isn't receiving the Holy Spirit which imputes truth and wisdom to a righteous person fundamental to being Godly?
An alternate approach, instead of trying to change everyone's calendars: just use the now-standard "Common Era" terminology (CE and BCE) to make it clear that you're not trying to measure your dates relative to the birth of Christ.

Common Era - Wikipedia
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
So, if we know that our Lord and Savoir was born in 6 BC, why do we persist in saying it's 2018 when it should be 2012? If as practicing Christians we know that Adam was 12 when he was created in the last year of Day 6 of the creation (year 6000), then why isn't it really the year 2000?

The date of Jesus birth is not recorded anywhere.

Before you all jump on me. Consider the facts first. King Herod who died in 4 BC must have issued the proclamation to have all young males (up to 2 years old) killed in the year 6 BC at least!

There is some conjecture about the year Herod the Great died.

According to Luke 1:5, King Herod was ruling in the days when John the Baptist was born, six months before Jesus. The year of his birth is not important because the ancient Jews did not keep birth dates or celebrate birthdays. The present calendar is inaccurate if you think it is beginning with the birth of Jesus.

Astronomical evidence points to Jupiter and Mercury appearing in the night sky 2024 years ago (climaxing in November - the month of the birth of Lord Jesus Christ) to create a bright light in the sky that led to the 3 wise men attending the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ.

That is assuming that the "star" they saw was nothing unusual, but a simple alignment of planets. Reading through the account in Matthew however, we see that this was no ordinary star. It first led them to Jerusalem (not Bethlehem) where Herod became aware of the birth of a future "King of the Jews". This wicked and jealous King would have no one succeed him but his own sons, hence the command to kill all the Hebrew males two years of age and under.

After the magi left Jerusalem with Herod's instructions to return and tell him where to find this new king, the star went ahead of them and stopped above the very house where Jesus was now living with his parents. This was not a newborn baby in a manger, but a young child living in a house. (See Matthew ch2) There is no number given for the magi (Babylonian astrologers.) Who said that there was three?

In the case of Adam, it makes sense that he was created as a pre-pubescent so that he could teach his future offspring about the changes in their body's. Also, as you are aware, 12 is a number that is highly significant in the Bible as it symbolizes GOD's power and authority, as well as serving as a perfect governmental foundation.

That is just about the silliest thing I have ever read. Where on earth would you get such an idea? Certainly not from scripture. Adam and his wife were created as adults and told to 'be fruitful and fill the earth' with their offspring....kind of difficult for pre-pubescents. :confused:
 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
The secular historical evidence is that Herod died in 4 BC, so it makes sense that he ordered the death of new born infants and those up to 2 years old to be killed at least 2 years before i.e. 6 BC.

Yes, it does matter that HE was born in the year 6 BC because it goes to show that the devil will stop at nothing to totally deceive Christ's true followers and GOD's chosen people. Also, doesn't it look highly suspicious that the Lord Jesus Christ is made to appear that he was born "6" years before? A number associated with imperfection. What does the Holy Bible say:

Matthew 2:1-2

After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born King of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him.”

Doesn't the truth matter anymore? Isn't receiving the Holy Spirit which imputes truth and wisdom to a righteous person fundamental to being Godly?

What does the Holy Bible say:

“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him” (Eph. 1:17).
The problem is that Jesus died in 33 CE on April 1, according to our modern calendar. Since we know that Jesus was approximately 33.5 years old at the time of his death, that gives us a means to calculate his year of birth.

We are clearly told that Jesus was about 30 when his ministry started:
Luke 3:
And, Jesus himself, was, when he began, about thirty years of age, being the son, as was supposed—of Joseph, of Heli: (Rotherham)​
His ministry was according to Daniel, 3.5 years in length
Daniel 9:
27 And he will confirm a covenant to the many, for one week,—but, in the middle of the week, will cause sacrifice and present to cease, and, in his stead, [shall be] the horrid abomination that astoundeth, even till, a full end, and that a decreed one, shall be poured out on him that astoundeth.​
One week is seven years, the middle of the week when Jesus was killed would then be 3.5 years.

One reference work says the following:
Quoting:

Summary of evidence. Summing up, then, since Jesus’ death took place in the spring month of Nisan, his ministry, which began three and a half years earlier according to Daniel 9:24-27, must have begun in the fall, about the month of Ethanim (September-October). John’s ministry (initiated in Tiberius’ 15th year), then, must have begun in the spring of the year 29 C.E. John’s birth therefore would be placed in the spring of the year 2 B.C.E., Jesus’ birth would come about six months later in the fall of 2 B.C.E., his ministry would start about 30 years later in the fall of 29 C.E., and his death would come in the year 33 C.E. (on Nisan 14 in the spring, as stated).

Also this paragraph, quoting:
On this basis, John’s birth occurred 30 years before he began his ministry in Tiberius’ 15th year, hence somewhere between the latter half of 3 B.C.E. and August or September of 2 B.C.E., with Jesus’ birth following about six months later.
If you have further questions or comments, I'll try to assist.
 

Paris Derbe

GOD IS TRUTH
The date of Jesus birth is not recorded anywhere.



There is some conjecture about the year Herod the Great died.

According to Luke 1:5, King Herod was ruling in the days when John the Baptist was born, six months before Jesus. The year of his birth is not important because the ancient Jews did not keep birth dates or celebrate birthdays. The present calendar is inaccurate if you think it is beginning with the birth of Jesus.



That is assuming that the "star" they saw was nothing unusual, but a simple alignment of planets. Reading through the account in Matthew however, we see that this was no ordinary star. It first led them to Jerusalem (not Bethlehem) where Herod became aware of the birth of a future "King of the Jews". This wicked and jealous King would have no one succeed him but his own sons, hence the command to kill all the Hebrew males two years of age and under.

After the magi left Jerusalem with Herod's instructions to return and tell him where to find this new king, the star went ahead of them and stopped above the very house where Jesus was now living with his parents. This was not a newborn baby in a manger, but a young child living in a house. (See Matthew ch2) There is no number given for the magi (Babylonian astrologers.) Who said that there was three?



That is just about the silliest thing I have ever read. Where on earth would you get such an idea? Certainly not from scripture. Adam and his wife were created as adults and told to 'be fruitful and fill the earth' with their offspring....kind of difficult for pre-pubescents. :confused:

The date of Jesus birth is not recorded anywhere.



There is some conjecture about the year Herod the Great died.

According to Luke 1:5, King Herod was ruling in the days when John the Baptist was born, six months before Jesus. The year of his birth is not important because the ancient Jews did not keep birth dates or celebrate birthdays. The present calendar is inaccurate if you think it is beginning with the birth of Jesus.



That is assuming that the "star" they saw was nothing unusual, but a simple alignment of planets. Reading through the account in Matthew however, we see that this was no ordinary star. It first led them to Jerusalem (not Bethlehem) where Herod became aware of the birth of a future "King of the Jews". This wicked and jealous King would have no one succeed him but his own sons, hence the command to kill all the Hebrew males two years of age and under.

After the magi left Jerusalem with Herod's instructions to return and tell him where to find this new king, the star went ahead of them and stopped above the very house where Jesus was now living with his parents. This was not a newborn baby in a manger, but a young child living in a house. (See Matthew ch2) There is no number given for the magi (Babylonian astrologers.) Who said that there was three?



That is just about the silliest thing I have ever read. Where on earth would you get such an idea? Certainly not from scripture. Adam and his wife were created as adults and told to 'be fruitful and fill the earth' with their offspring....kind of difficult for pre-pubescents. :confused:


Supposing pre - tribulation events begin this year, would you change your mind? I say this because, GOD has made it very very clear that HE follows a clearly well defined plan for the salvation of mankind that's based on a 7 day (7,000) year plan. We know that 1 day is 1000 years, right?

2 Peter 3:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

And please, as a true believer of GOD's written word, this is the truth, right?


GOD created everything in the first 6 days, the Seventh Day being HIS day of rest.

Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made” (Genesis 2:1-3).


Now if pre -Tribulation events begin this year like the Damascus prophecy, won't it prove that Adam was 12 in the year 6000 and that Jesus Christ really was born in the year 6 BC? So therefore, we really are 18 years wrong (which by the way is 6 + 6 + 6). Keep watching, Israel is preparing something nice for her enemies and JEHOVAH GOD will protect HIS people.

Isaiah 17
A Prophecy Against Damascus

“See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
We are clearly told that Jesus was about 30 when his ministry started:
Luke 3:
And, Jesus himself, was, when he began, about thirty years of age, being the son, as was supposed—of Joseph, of Heli: (Rotherham)His ministry was according to Daniel, 3.5 years in length
Daniel 9:
27 And he will confirm a covenant to the many, for one week,—but, in the middle of the week, will cause sacrifice and present to cease, and, in his stead, [shall be] the horrid abomination that astoundeth, even till, a full end, and that a decreed one, shall be poured out on him that astoundeth. One week is seven years, the middle of the week when Jesus was killed would then be 3.5 years.

One reference work says the following:
Quoting:

This ties also into the 70 Week and the Seven and 62 week Prophecies of Daniel.

".....But Daniel refers especially to the third edict which was issued in the year 457 B.C. Seventy weeks make four hundred and ninety days. Each day, according to the text of the Holy Book, is a year. For in the Bible it is said: “The day of the Lord is one year.” Therefore, four hundred and ninety days are four hundred and ninety years. The third edict of Artaxerxes was issued four hundred and fifty-seven years before the birth of Christ, and Christ when He was martyred and ascended was thirty-three years of age. When you add thirty-three to four hundred and fifty-seven, the result is four hundred and ninety, which is the time announced by Daniel for the manifestation of Christ.
But in the twenty-fifth verse of the ninth chapter of the Book of Daniel this is expressed in another manner, as seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; and apparently this differs from the first saying. Many have remained perplexed at these differences, trying to reconcile these two statements. How can seventy weeks be right in one place, and sixty-two weeks and seven weeks in another? These two sayings do not accord.
But Daniel mentions two dates. One of these dates begins with the command of Artaxerxes to Ezra to rebuild Jerusalem: this is the seventy weeks which came to an end with the ascension of Christ, when by His martyrdom the sacrifice and oblation ceased.
The second period, which is found in the twenty-sixth verse, means that after the termination of the rebuilding of Jerusalem until the ascension of Christ, there will be sixty-two weeks: the seven weeks are the duration of the rebuilding of Jerusalem, which took forty-nine years. When you add these seven weeks to the sixty-two weeks, it makes sixty-nine weeks, and in the last week (69–70) the ascension of Christ took place. These seventy weeks are thus completed, and there is no contradiction"

Regards Tony
 

taykair

Active Member
There was no "Year 0". The year following 1 BC is AD 1.

As for the use of "CE" and "BCE": It was refreshing to see a poster above acknowledge that this relatively new practice is simply a way to get Christ out of the picture. I've heard all kinds of rationalizations for this practice from others. There is nothing "common" about "common era". There have been multitudes of dating systems used throughout history, and many differing ones are in use today.
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
How can the book of Daniel be used to date the birth of Jesus if it isn't about him? Jews don't think it is. If Christians could prove reasonably otherwise let them do so and explain why everyone else is supposed to accept a book of scripture for dating a historical birth.

I have encountered opinions that place Jesus 30 or even 100 years prior to traditional dating. One of these arguments relies on Josephus who attributed the death of John to Herod the Great. Herod the Great died when Jesus was a child if we follow the Christian narrative. Is Josephus incorrect to say Herod the Great killed John or is the New Testament slightly off?

Another argument along these lines is that Jesus was synonymous with the teacher of righteousness that founded the Essenes. That would place him 100 years before traditional dating if accurate.

Another placement for Jesus's life uses the Talmud to associate Jesus with the Yeshua hung on the Eve of the Passover by Alexander Jannaeus. Alexander Jannaeus was the last Hasmonean king so again we'd be talking about a good deal of time before the traditional dates.
 
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TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How can the book of Daniel be used to date the birth of Jesus if it isn't about him? Jews don't think it is. If Christians could prove reasonably otherwise let them do so and explain why everyone else is supposed to accept a book of scripture for dating a historical birth.

The Book of Daniel is a book of Prophecy.

It predicts accurately Jesus the Christ and shows the far future, that includes Muhammad and the Bab. (Many other passages as well)

Christ referred the Jews to Daniel.

Matthew 24:15-21 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

Daniel 9:27"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

There are many other passages that tie this all together.

Regards Tony
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
The Book of Daniel is a book of Prophecy.

The Eleven Books of the Writings (Kesuvim)



Source: The 24 Books of the Hebrew Bible • Torah.org

Daniel 9:27"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

I seem to recall that even Catholic commentaries acknowledge the abomination of desolation is when Antiochus Epiphanes set up an idol of Zeus in the holy place.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I seem to recall that even Catholic commentaries acknowledge the abomination of desolation is when Antiochus Epiphanes set up an idol of Zeus in the holy place.

Thank you for that, that is informative.

I have not studied the details behind the event. It is the timelines that were mentioned that support the Gregorian Calendar started precisely when it should have, in that way, Written Prophecy was fulfilled that is my interest.

No matter when Christ was born, Prophecy confirmed his age when he was Crucified in AD terms. It also confirmed Christs 2nd comming in bothe AD and AH timelines.

Quite amazing actually.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Do you suppose the Gregorian Calendar should be taken as inspired by divinity?

I think mostly all Calenders have their foundation in a Divine Message in one way or another, some more obvious than others.

I know the last two Calanders were directly tied to a Message from God, that is the Islamic and Badi Calanders. The Badi Calanders has and interesting background, was instigated by the Bab and confirmed by Baha'u'llah.

Thus AD1844, AH1260 and BE1 are the same year. Which now ties Daniel and Revelation toghether with the start of the Bahai Dispensation.

Calanders are interesting in that some are Solar and some are Luna. I think the Badi is the first to use both Solar and Luna.

Regards Tony
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
I think mostly all Calenders have their foundation in a Divine Message in one way or another, some more obvious than others.

That is an interesting view. I imagine you accept the same of the calendars of polytheistic religions?

I know the last two Calanders were directly tied to a Message from God, that is the Islamic and Badi Calanders. The Badi Calanders has and interesting background, was instigated by the Bab and confirmed by Baha'u'llah.

Mind telling me more about the Badi Calendars?

Thus AD1844, AH1260 and BE1 are the same year. Which now ties Daniel and Revelation toghether with the start of the Bahai Dispensation.

I see, so this is a part of Baha'i belief.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
That is an interesting view. I imagine you accept the same of the calendars of polytheistic religions?

Yes I would be confident that a more widley used calander, could be traced to a source of divine inspiration at the time the calander was put together. I would add that many people can have inspiration, even when they are not aware that there is a source to that inspiration.

As that is my thought it could be far from being so, would be interesting to know.

Regards Tony
 
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