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We are spiritually at Mt. Sinai

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
By spiritually I mean as the Jews being led out of Egypt was a physical representation, We are there in a metaphorical sense, since the people of all Nations are being led out of Egypt, and could not fit in the land of Israel. Just as The Passover lamb was slain and the Israelites were led out of bondage by the Lord, to Mt. Sinai. There they stayed for 40 years, preparing to inherit the land of Israel. So Jesus came and was slain as the Passover lamb. John the Baptist came preaching repentence from Sin and Jesus baptism with the Holy Spirit, leading people out of the bondage of sin. Preparing them to inherit the Land of Israel, spiritually called the Kingdom of Heaven. When the trumpet sounds the walls of this world of sin will come tumbling down.

1 Cor 15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Joshua 6:20 When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the men gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so everyone charged straight in, and they took the city.
 

Seven headed beast

Awaited One
What you're not understanding because everyone got decieved by the church is that there is no message of good hope in the bible. It is an eschatological prophecy and nothing more. You cannot add some butterflies and unicorns and make it anything more than an end times prophecy with butterflies and unicorns.

So, it's a very dark read. The entire text is very dark.

The Messiah will actually raise the dead with understanding. It is not a physical action. The truth is that the church lied to everyone. They came up with the "forgiveness " plan which is not true. The word forgiveness does not appear one time in the entire book of Revelation, what is told is in Rev 20:12, it says we are judged by our "work" and that is karma.

The church tried to hide any notion of the truth when they framed the bible from the ancient texts, and the truth is about reincarnation.

So, the Messiah will simply tell everyone that there is no death, and that we are all a consciousness without end. When you shed your vessel from old age or disease or damage, your consciousness, soul, aura and chakras all pass through the bright light at the end of the tunnel, where you ascend if you have your karma in the light side and you possess the understanding that is called "enlightenment". If you do t, than you get another trip through the grinder to try again.

That means that everyone that ever lived is still alive, either as a reincarnated person or are alive on the planet "Heaven" .

Are you with me? That's how the raising the dead works.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
By spiritually I mean as the Jews being led out of Egypt was a physical representation, We are there in a metaphorical sense, since the people of all Nations are being led out of Egypt, and could not fit in the land of Israel. Just as The Passover lamb was slain and the Israelites were led out of bondage by the Lord, to Mt. Sinai. There they stayed for 40 years, preparing to inherit the land of Israel. So Jesus came and was slain as the Passover lamb. John the Baptist came preaching repentence from Sin and Jesus baptism with the Holy Spirit, leading people out of the bondage of sin. Preparing them to inherit the Land of Israel, spiritually called the Kingdom of Heaven. When the trumpet sounds the walls of this world of sin will come tumbling down.

1 Cor 15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Joshua 6:20 When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the men gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so everyone charged straight in, and they took the city.
The evidence (or lack thereof) demonstrates that the tale of the Exodus is apocryphal, at best. Where does that leave your analogy?
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Can you seriously suggest that someone managed to erase all trace of the Exodus pf 2 million Hebrews but somehow missed dumping the OT in on top of the pile?

I suppose people living in tents don't leave much behind. And so the Hebrews themselves, the OT and other heritage they brought survive as evidence. 2 million though? That sounds too high. I suspect more like 100-200 thousand. But Whatever, this thread is not to debate the reality of the old testament.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
I suppose people living in tents don't leave much behind. And so the Hebrews themselves, the OT and other heritage they brought survive as evidence. 2 million though? That sounds too high. I suspect more like 100-200 thousand. But Whatever, this thread is not to debate the reality of the old testament.
There would have been a fire pit in each and every 200 meters square of all of Sinai, not to mention the kitchen middens, burials, etc. There is not such evidence.

BTW:

How Many In The Exodus?
by Wayne Blank (From Daily Bible Study)

"These are the names of the sons of Israel [see Children of Jacob] who came to Egypt with Jacob, each with his household: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin, Dan and Naphtali, Gad and Asher. All the offspring of Jacob were seventy persons; Joseph was already in Egypt." (Exodus 1:1-5 RSV)

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And so Jacob, whose name God had changed to Israel, entered Egypt. All of the Israelites that existed in the world at the time were in that small group. They would remain there for 430 years (Exodus 12:40-41) until the Exodus.

Despite their eventual hardships, the Israelites had large families and grew very numerous:



"But the descendants of Israel were fruitful and increased greatly; they multiplied and grew exceedingly strong; so that the land was filled with them." (Exodus 1:7 RSV).
Although there is no record of the precise number that left Egypt in the Exodus, a military census taken not long after listed the number of men 20 years of age and older who could serve in the army as 603,550 (Exodus 38:26). From that number, the total Israelite population of that time has been estimated at approximately 2 to 3 million.

How can a small group become a nation of millions in just over 4 centuries? A simple bit of arithmetic shows that it was easily possible. If the average Israelite family consisted of 4 children by the time the parents were 27 years old (the Bible record shows that families then were actually much larger), that would provide for a doubling of the population every 27 years (2 children to replace the parents, and 2 children to account for population growth). 430 years divided by 27 years is about 15 generations during the time Israel was in Egypt.

Beginning with the original 70 people, growth of the Israelite nation using our factors above would have been:
  • 140 people after 27 years
  • 280 people after 54 years
  • 560 people after 81 years
  • 1,120 people after 108 years
  • 2,240 people after 135 years
  • 4,480 people after 162 years
  • 8,960 people after 189 years
  • 17,920 people after 216 years
  • 35,840 people after 243 years
  • 71,680 people after 270 years
  • 143,360 people after 297 years
  • 286,720 people after 324 years
  • 573,440 people after 351 years
  • 1,146,880 people after 378 years
  • 2,293,760 people after 405 years
The example is of course a rough estimate, but it does prove the point that the Israelites could easily have increased to a great number in the given time.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
There would have been a fire pit in each and every 200 meters square of all of Sinai, not to mention the kitchen middens, burials, etc. There is not such evidence.

BTW:

How Many In The Exodus?
by Wayne Blank (From Daily Bible Study)

"These are the names of the sons of Israel [see Children of Jacob] who came to Egypt with Jacob, each with his household: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin, Dan and Naphtali, Gad and Asher. All the offspring of Jacob were seventy persons; Joseph was already in Egypt." (Exodus 1:1-5 RSV)

aaronrod.gif
And so Jacob, whose name God had changed to Israel, entered Egypt. All of the Israelites that existed in the world at the time were in that small group. They would remain there for 430 years (Exodus 12:40-41) until the Exodus.

Despite their eventual hardships, the Israelites had large families and grew very numerous:



"But the descendants of Israel were fruitful and increased greatly; they multiplied and grew exceedingly strong; so that the land was filled with them." (Exodus 1:7 RSV).
Although there is no record of the precise number that left Egypt in the Exodus, a military census taken not long after listed the number of men 20 years of age and older who could serve in the army as 603,550 (Exodus 38:26). From that number, the total Israelite population of that time has been estimated at approximately 2 to 3 million.

How can a small group become a nation of millions in just over 4 centuries? A simple bit of arithmetic shows that it was easily possible. If the average Israelite family consisted of 4 children by the time the parents were 27 years old (the Bible record shows that families then were actually much larger), that would provide for a doubling of the population every 27 years (2 children to replace the parents, and 2 children to account for population growth). 430 years divided by 27 years is about 15 generations during the time Israel was in Egypt.

Beginning with the original 70 people, growth of the Israelite nation using our factors above would have been:
  • 140 people after 27 years
  • 280 people after 54 years
  • 560 people after 81 years
  • 1,120 people after 108 years
  • 2,240 people after 135 years
  • 4,480 people after 162 years
  • 8,960 people after 189 years
  • 17,920 people after 216 years
  • 35,840 people after 243 years
  • 71,680 people after 270 years
  • 143,360 people after 297 years
  • 286,720 people after 324 years
  • 573,440 people after 351 years
  • 1,146,880 people after 378 years
  • 2,293,760 people after 405 years
The example is of course a rough estimate, but it does prove the point that the Israelites could easily have increased to a great number in the given time.

You're just taking a wild speculation. Did you factor in Pharoh killing the Hebrew children, except Moses etc etc. I did not get any such 2 million man impression by the bible account. I remember numbers in the 10's of thousands for the armies, which would have been every able man in a certain tribe etc.
 
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