We are and always have been, Both. Be Both.
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We Are Both
- Thread starter The Hammer
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We are and always have been, Both. Be Both.
VoidCat
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I can't see the picture
VoidCat
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Ah nevermind. I can't see it in your post but if I press in my quoted message
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I can see it
If they ask for more then fair recompense, that's on them.
"A greedy man, if he be not mindful,
eats to his own life's hurt" 20.
"To his friend a man should bear him as friend,
and gift for gift bestow,
laughter for laughter let him exchange,
but leasing pay for a lie." 42
Equal reciprocity is what I read out of this last stanza. The first seemed self explanatory.
-Havamal
VoidCat
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@The Hammer
Did you edited it? Maybe my phone had acted up earlier but I can see the pic in your OP now.
Edited cuz my words got messed up
Did you edited it? Maybe my phone had acted up earlier but I can see the pic in your OP now.
Edited cuz my words got messed up
Nope, I haven't edited it.
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
I don't often ask for help because it's often small things and I worry they will misinterpret it as some kind of crisis.
VoidCat
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Hmm. Phone must've had acted up earlier
What if the one requesting or needing help is in that position through poor choices? Should one be reckless and injudicious and always expect someone else to solve or extricate one from problems.of one's own making? Is there any personal responsibility in your philosophy?
It is my personal responsibility to help others, regardless of how they got where they are.
How's that?
That's great if you are happy with that.
I take things on a case-by-case basis. In some cases there is an issue of being an enabler of self defeating or self-destructive behaviour.
I won't enable someone's bad behavior.
But I won't turn away the needy either.
If someone's poor choices led them to where they are, through drugs, alcohol, crime, or what have you; I will extend a hand to help if asked. If they continue to persue the same patterns without some marked improvement. Then I will eventually forfeit my assistance.
I only want to see progress. Not a total overhaul of their life, unless they choose it.
VoidCat
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Doing so wouldnt help the person
And I would agree with that. I'm not sure what my problem is with the OP other than my concern that sometimes the help that is wanted is not the help that is needed.
Idk, I would say it's not for us to decide what is "needed" for another. Just as much as I don't want someone deciding what I "need".
Gargovic Malkav
Well-Known Member
There's also the kind of people who offer help but insistently disallow you to pay back in kind.
This can be uncomfortable too.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, that has a limit. It has to do with the fact value distinction.
It is not a fact that another human is responsible for her/his action just because someone says so. Responsibility is a sort of value judgment and depends on the standard in you, when you claim another human is responsible.
There is more, but that is the first part.