Shad
Veteran Member
One of the TH Sanders was in was rigged with low level democrat politicians pretending to be average voters asking Sanders questions.
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Watching CNN Town Halls for Democratic Presidential Candidates on YouTube
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One of the TH Sanders was in was rigged with low level democrat politicians pretending to be average voters asking Sanders questions.
averageJOE
zombie
A slight correction: Tulsi Gabbard isn't ex-military, she still IS CURRENTLY in the military.
-End regime change wars
-Medicare for all
-Tuition free public college
-will aggressively fight climate change with the OFF Fossil Fuels Act
-Living wage
-Criminal justice reform
-will fight to protect our elections
And that just what I can think off the top of my head. She has a very big platform. And the best part, unlike any of the other candidates (except for Bernie) she has either introduced, co-sponsored, or voted FOR Bills for EVERY one of the issues and policies on her presidential platform. Because actions speak louder than words.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
They are all like that. They are all democrats and independents...people who might potentially vote in the primary. So it isn't pretend. Its just in the context.
Still many of the questions are like a volleyball player setting the ball for the politician to then spike.
As an independent in Oregon I do not have the option to vote in the Democratic primary. But I am enjoying hearing from all the candidates. They seem to mainly share the same perspectives with some differentiation made on approaching health care. But the top level issues are mainly identical.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
Buttigieg served in the war in Afghanistan.
I liked Gabbard well-enough. She seemed the most presidential with a hint of bad-***.
I'll admit I haven't looked into Buttigieg all that much, but as a rule I'll always look more seriously at candidates who have put their money where their mouth is and served our country at risk of life and limb. I just know some far-left identitarians dislike him because being a gay white man isn't intersectional or diverse enough.
I agree with most of those. Admittedly the wages vs. cost of living issue has nuance that needs to be discussed in more depth at all levels of government, and tuition-free publix university is only sustainable if only 10-20% of Americans go to university and not 70% as is currently the case; 4-year university just is not necesary for most professions. Trade schools are equally valuable and are not an inferior path to a successful career.
BTW, do you have a link to her full platform? I can't find it on her campaign website.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
Since I find their platforms all acceptable if not precisely identical, I am mainly allowing myself the pleasure of a subjective preference.
They all have excellent qualities and I should praise Hickenlooper for being a successful example of a nerd which is a class of which I must put myself into.
Identitarian does get old. Its becoming trite at this point and I'm not concerned that any of the candidates will get mired into that approach too much. The answers to the reparations question seems to me to indicate that.
averageJOE
zombie
Here you go.
Vision | Tulsi Gabbard - Fighting for the people. Even this site doesn't mention ALL her policies. You just have to listen to her. Just know, she is not a sound bite candidate. Her issues are to complex to answer in a catchy phrase (like all the other candidates do).
Shad
Veteran Member
No as many of those people were officials in government as democrats or part of the democrat political system. They were not random Joe that happened to vote democrat
Shad
Veteran Member
After the fact. After she volunteered to serve. After she dropped her candidacy to serve. Hindsight 20/20
averageJOE
zombie
Also, I forgot to mention before I hit "Post Reply"
Everything you mention here are fair criticisms of Tulsi. In fact, they are questions she should be challenged with. I'm glad you raised them. No candidate is perfect. She has one issue that I can't yet support at all. But I encourage you to research her more in detail. She is hitting independent media hard. So go on YouTube and watch some of her interviews. After listening to her, go back and listen to the other candidates. You will instantly see that they are just putting up theatrics.
One other thing that's important to ME, individually, is that , unlike any of the other candidates, Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie Sanders are activists. They marched, they held signs, they chanted, they froze, they bled. That's how you know they will fight for what they say.
Shad
Veteran Member
Look up Sanders' history before you turn him into some icon. It takes talents for a socialist to get kicked out of a commune.
averageJOE
zombie
I'm not a "fan" of any particular candidate, or see them as an "icon". It's about the issues, not the person. Since 2015 I've researched Sanders, his voting record, past. He's not a "socialist", he's a democratic socialist. If anyone would have asked me in 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018 if I would vote for anyone else other than Bernie for president I would have said "No!". But that changed. I listened to Tulsi, learned more about her past and voting record. Now, she won my vote over Bernie. Like I said, it's about the issues, not the person.
Shad
Veteran Member
Which is still a socialist that use democracy to change a nation into a socialist nation instead of a bloody revolution.
So in your research you noted Sanders could barely hold a job until he went into politics at the age of 40? So you think this guy can run a national government and economy?
Democratic socialism - Wikipedia
Except she flipped on the issues after the fact.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
That's what the VP is for.
averageJOE
zombie
She flipped on which issues?
Shad
Veteran Member
On most of those issues listed in the comment I replied to. Take her intervention views which contradict her actions during the Iraq war.
averageJOE
zombie
Her "actions" during her deployment to middle east in the medical unit, where everyday she had to read a list of every solider who was either hurt or killed took a toll on her. She saw first hand to impact it was having and the stupidity of the missions they were dying for. She's not a pacifist. The reality of her deploying again is very real, being that she STILL is in the military. And has stated time and time again that if/when her unit is called she will go back. She has ALWAYS been against regime change wars. I deployed to Iraq, and I was against the war.
"Flip flopping" on issues are what the other candidates are doing, like Harris and Warren for example. On their speeches announcing their candidacy they proudly stated they support Medicare For All. Now, they support the "idea" of getting their one day, and that we should focus on "expanding coverage".
