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Washington is Losing:116 Experts !!!

TashaN

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Washington is Losing 'War on Terror': Experts
by Michel Moutot

Despite high-profile arrests, security operations and upbeat assessments from the White House, the United States is losing its "global war on terror," experts warn.

Five years after Washington launched its hunt for those responsible for the September 11 attacks, the world has not become a safer place, and a new large-scale strike against America at some point appears likely, they say.

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A picture released by the US Army shows a US soldier patrolling the market center in the town of Bayji, north of Iraq. Despite high-profile arrests, security operations and upbeat assessments from the White House, the United States is losing its "global war on terror," experts warn. (AFP/US ARMY-HO/Staff Sgt. Russell Lee Klika)

[/FONT]Even the killing last month of Al-Qaeda's leader in Iraq Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, hailed by the White House as a major blow against the terror network, has not dented its ability to recruit new militants or mount attacks.

In May the influential US magazine Foreign Policy and a Washington-based think-tank questioned 116 leading US experts -- a balanced mix of Republicans and Democrats -- on the progress of the US campaign against terrorism.

Among others, they consulted a former secretary of state, two former directors of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and dozens of the country's top security analysts.

The result? Eighty-four percent believe the United States is losing the "war on terror," 86 percent that the world has become a more dangerous place in the past five years, and 80 percent that a major new attack on their country was likely within the next decade.

"We are losing the 'war on terror' because we are treating the symptoms and not the cause," argued Anne-Marie Slaughter, head of the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University.

"Our insistence that Islamic fundamentalist ideology has replaced communist ideology as the chief enemy of our time feeds Al-Qaeda's vision of the world," boosting support for the Islamic radical cause, she said.

For Leslie Gelb, president of the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations, the unity of views expressed by those questioned reflects a deeply critical attitude towards the administration of President George W. Bush.

"It's clear to nearly all that Bush and his team have had a totally unrealistic view of what they can accomplish with military force and threats of force," he said.
Other experts questioned the very nature of the US campaign.

"It was a doomed enterprise from the very start: a 'war on terror' -- it's as ridiculous as a 'war on anger'. You do not wage a war on terror, you wage a war against people," said Alain Chouet, a former senior officer of France's DGSE foreign intelligence service.

"The Americans have been stuck inside this idea of a 'war on terror' since September 11, they are not asking the right questions."

"You can always slaughter terrorists -- there are endless reserves of them. We should not be attacking the effects of terrorism but its causes: Wahhabite ideology, Saudi Arabia and the Muslim Brotherhood. But no one will touch any of those," Chouet argued.

Instead he said US policy in the Middle East, which had "turned Iraq into a new Afghanistan," was acting as a powerful recruiting agent for a generation of Islamic radicals.

The continued US presence in Iraq and "the atrocities committed by a campaigning army", the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal in Iraq and the "grotesque" US detention centre at Guantanamo in Cuba all "provide excuses" for violent radicals, he said.
The United States "have fallen into the classic terrorist trap -- they're lashing out at the wrong targets," causing collateral damage that boosts the cause of their opponents, he said.


Michael Scheuer, who headed the CIA's Osama Bin Laden unit from 1996 to 1999, agreed that Washington was acting as its own worst enemy in the fight against Islamic terrorism.

"We're clearly losing. Today, Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda and their allies have only one indispensable ally: the US' foreign policy towards the Islamic world."

"The cumulative impact of several events in the past two years has gone a good way towards increasing Muslim hatred for Americans, simply because they are Americans," he said, citing Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and the East-West row over cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed.
"Each of these events is unfortunate but not terribly serious for Western minds. But from the Muslim perspective they are deliberate and vicious attacks against the things that guide their lives and their faith."

Source: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0705-03.htm
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
In the face of ongoing and barbaric Sunni/Shia carnage I'd suggest that the victims of Islamic sectarianism are the real losers, but I can fully understand you willful ignorance of this "Truth".
 

TashaN

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Premium Member
There was NO conflict several sects while Saddam was roling Iraq (even though i don't justify his actions toward some iraqis). Nevertheless, once the cowboys invaded Iraq these things started to happen. Didn't you ask yourself why is that?

In arabic there is an old saying: "Make people differ in order to control them".

This is excatly what USA did in Iraq because if they didn't make this conflict among the Muslims brothers there they would lose the war at once because the whole community will stand as one man against the enemy.

So, we conclude that, even though SOME muslims who some hidden agenda are working on this matter but still 116 american experts found out that Bush is such a loser and he has no idea in what he sticks his nose at.

I believe, from my observation in the middle east that USA was a symbol of civilization and democrasy but it lost it all after the so called unfair war on terror and it became the head of terror on earth.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
The Truth said:
There was NO conflict several sects while Saddam was roling Iraq (even though i don't justify his actions toward some iraqis).
Of course you do, since it was precisely his "actions toward some iraqis [sic]" that served to viciously suppress sectarian violence.
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
Of course you do, since it was precisely his "actions toward some iraqis [sic]" that served to viciously suppress sectarian violence.

Whatever Saddam did in the past that doesn't matter now because two wrongs can't make a right. Is it?

I just feel pity for those who lost their american sons and daughters in Iraq for nothing. They gonna lose more and more if they didn't stop the arrogant Bush from his childish acts. I wish if he could participate in this war personally to see how the army sufers physicaly and psycholigicaly.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
The Truth said:
I just feel pity for those who lost their american sons and daughters in Iraq for nothing.
As do I. Similarly, I feel pity for the ignorant apologists of barbaric Islamic sectarianism because they enable the ongoing oppression of their people.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Jayhawker Soule said:
As do I. Similarly, I feel pity for the ignorant apologists of barbaric Islamic sectarianism because they enable the ongoing oppression of their people.
Well said.:clap
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The United States is a huge country with a lot of resources, Truth. We can make mistakes, waste lives, and still have the resources to fight on until a wiser administration comes into office with a workable plan for getting at the roots of terrorism.
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Sunstone said:
The United States is a huge country with a lot of resources, Truth. We can make mistakes, waste lives, and still have the resources to fight on until a wiser administration comes into office with a workable plan for getting at the roots of terrorism.

I do understand that dear Sunstone, but i really feel so surprised when some people justify some acts of the current government or bring some excuses to support it. After that, so oddly they ask muslims to speak loud condemning the act of SOME muslims while those people close their eyes when their government do somthing wrong.

Is it hypocrisy?
 

kai

ragamuffin
The Truth said:
I do understand that dear Sunstone, but i really feel so surprised when some people justify some acts of the current government or bring some excuses to support it. After that, so oddly they ask muslims to speak loud condemning the act of SOME muslims while those people close their eyes when their government do somthing wrong.

Is it hypocrisy?
i must admit that muslims dont show much hypocracy they just will not admit the violence and terror that is perpetrated in the name of allah,the west is at fault full stop. to what end is this violence in Iraq ,end the violence end the coaltion presence , to what end is the violence in palestine , end the violence end the Israeli presence in Gaza and the west bank. come on admit it Islam was forged through war and it thrives on war now take away the conflct and you take away the fire of islam, the religion of peace will not bring peace to the table. tell me now what is the purpose of the insugency in Iraq
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
kai said:
i must admit that muslims dont show much hypocracy they just will not admit the violence and terror that is perpetrated in the name of allah,the west is at fault full stop.

How do you know that muslims are not admitting it?

Just because they don't report that in english to the western countries and you can't find it in the internet so that means they are not doing it?

I read EVERYDAY multiple of articles from muslims religious leaders and great arabic writers around the world and specificly in the middle east but their problem is the lack of getting the benefit of the media tool in the west. Believe me, if i have the time and the experince to translate them i would do it without hesitation so you and the rest can see what is happening there.

Don't you realise what is the language of those people in the middle east? believe it or not, it's NOT english.

I myself use the dictionary sometimes to understand some english words in RF because i'm not that good in english and you will be so surprised how people there condemn these acts from the minority. Do you think if more than one billion muslims were violence people or even half of them, there would be peace on our planet?

the religion of peace will not bring peace to the table.

I have to disagree with you here.

Think about it. Islam have nothing to do with it and if those muslims believe in what they preach they would succeed and get the respect from the whole world living in peace all of them.

tell me now what is the purpose of the insugency in Iraq

Tell me why they shouldn't?
 

niceguy

Active Member
Somehow this whole "war on terror" seems like when someone recive a wound in an accident. The wound is small and would rapidly heal if cleaned and covered with a plaster. Problem is, the wounded person does not take proper care of the wound and let it bleed and scratches it with dirty fingers when it itches. The wound get's infected and and becomes a moderate wound. Friends tell the wounded person "-You should clean and cover that wound with a sterile plaster". The wounded person does not listen and continue to ignore the wound when not scratching it, making sure that it will never heal. Instead the wound get worse, and almost leads to blood poisoningand end up in hospital. At the hospetal the doctor clean the wound and cover it with a sterile compress. The doctor then say"-Don't scratch the wound and change the compress regulary". The patient then goes home and but soon forget the doctors advice and begin scratching the wound with his dirty fingers.

When people want to hurt you there is usually a reason, quit scratching.
 

kai

ragamuffin
The Truth said:
How do you know that muslims are not admitting it?
ok i should say that every muslim i have asked about it says "its nothing to do with Islam"
Just because they don't report that in english to the western countries and you can't find it in the internet so that means they are not doing it?

I read EVERYDAY multiple of articles from muslims religious leaders and great arabic writers around the world and specificly in the middle east but their problem is the lack of getting the benefit of the media tool in the west. Believe me, if i have the time and the experince to translate them i would do it without hesitation so you and the rest can see what is happening there.

Don't you realise what is the language of those people in the middle east? believe it or not, it's NOT english. ther are plenty of muslims in the west who speak english , in fact there are plenty in england who speak of killing jews and christians in english
and believe it or not we have interpreters
I myself use the dictionary sometimes to understand some english words in RF because i'm not that good in english and you will be so surprised how people there condemn these acts from the minority. Do you think if more than one billion muslims were violence people or even half of them, there would be peace on our planet?



I have to disagree with you here.
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Think about it. Islam have nothing to do with it and if those muslims believe in what they preach they would succeed and get the respect from the whole world living in peace all of them.
Islam has nothing to do with it! Hamas=Islamic Resistance Movement" hezbollah =party of god



Tell me why they shouldn't?
shouldnt what blow up fellow muslims kidnap or assasinate people, behead civilians, because if they didnt there would be no coalition forces in Iraq and they know it but its not what they want is,
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
niceguy said:
Somehow this whole "war on terror" seems like when someone recive a wound in an accident. The wound is small and would rapidly heal if cleaned and covered with a plaster. Problem is, the wounded person does not take proper care of the wound and let it bleed and scratches it with dirty fingers when it itches. The wound get's infected and and becomes a moderate wound. Friends tell the wounded person "-You should clean and cover that wound with a sterile plaster". The wounded person does not listen and continue to ignore the wound when not scratching it, making sure that it will never heal. Instead the wound get worse, and almost leads to blood poisoningand end up in hospital. At the hospetal the doctor clean the wound and cover it with a sterile compress. The doctor then say"-Don't scratch the wound and change the compress regulary". The patient then goes home and but soon forget the doctors advice and begin scratching the wound with his dirty fingers.

When people want to hurt you there is usually a reason, quit scratching.

I can't agree more .. Frubals .. :)
 

TashaN

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kai said:
ok i should say that every muslim i have asked about it says "its nothing to do with Islam"


Wait a second, are you asking me to admit that SOME muslims are doing this or that because they found that in islam?


kai said:
ther are plenty of muslims in the west who speak english , in fact there are plenty in england who speak of killing jews and christians in english
and believe it or not we have interpreters


Do you know why they are doing so?

Because they escaped from their home land and these western countries refused to send them back to their original countires even though these islamic or arabic countries were warning the western countries of the danger they are keeping in their land.

Those people speaking english are originally from outside "most of the time from the middle east" and they escaped from their own countries.

kai said:
Islam has nothing to do with it! Hamas=Islamic Resistance Movement" hezbollah =party of god


Hamas is the government there now elected legally by palestinians.

kai said:
shouldnt what blow up fellow muslims kidnap or assasinate people, behead civilians, because if they didnt there would be no coalition forces in Iraq and they know it but its not what they want is,

Are you saying that the Iraqi people must submit and accept the fact that USA army invaded their country and rape their women?

Should they give up you mean?

I wonder what your fellow british would do if a country tried to invade the country !!!
 

Smoke

Done here.
I think one of the very first things I learned in school was that the British lost the American Revolution because it's impossible to send soldiers in among a hostile population and hold the country; guerilla warfare will wear you down every time. Maybe they taught us wrong, but I haven't seen anything in Iraq to indicate that they did.
 

anders

Well-Known Member
To the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever called the the resistance forces in for example WWII Norway and France "insurgents". They´re "heroes".
 

kai

ragamuffin
The Truth said:
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Wait a second, are you asking me to admit that SOME muslims are doing this or that because they found that in islam?
i am asking you to admit that it is done in the name of islam and using islam as a basis to declare jihad



Do you know why they are doing so?

Because they escaped from their home land and these western countries refused to send them back to their original countires even though these islamic or arabic countries were warning the western countries of the danger they are keeping in their land.

Those people speaking english are originally from outside "most of the time from the middle east" and they escaped from their own countries.

they are indeed from the middle east

Hamas is the government there now elected legally by palestinians.
the peace process died when this happened



Are you saying that the Iraqi people must submit and accept the fact that USA army invaded their country and rape their women?

Should they give up you mean?
they should let the country repair itself if not for the security problems the americans would leave tommorrow

I wonder what your fellow british would do if a country tried to invade the country !!!
it is the insurgents who keep the coalition there, the british would leave tomorow if the insurgents stopped the bombings etc surely you know this !
 

TashaN

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Premium Member
kai said:
i am asking you to admit that it is done in the name of islam and using islam as a basis to declare jihad


Before we go on, tell me what is jihad? I guess you misunderstood the meaning of this word in islam.

kai said:
Hamas is the government there now elected legally by palestinians.
the peace process died when this happened


kai said:
they should let the country repair itself if not for the security problems the americans would leave tommorrow


If anyone came over to invade my country i'll fight till death not to let them do so and you tell me they should let them !!!!!!!!!!

You know everything about Iraq, why Bush went there and who is the one responsible for it's total mess and destruction.

kai said:
would leave tommorrow


You wish, they won't let this treasure go away this easily.


kai said:
it is the insurgents who keep the coalition there, the british would leave tomorow if the insurgents stopped the bombings etc surely you know this !

You wish ... you wish .. you wish ..
 
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