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Featured Was The Atonement FINISHED At The CROSS?

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  1. Pipiripi

    Pipiripi End Times Prophecy.

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    Part 1
    Psalm 69:27-28
    The majority of professed Christians in the world do not understand the significance of the above verse, due to a wrong understanding of the atonement, and it is my prayer that you will seriously and prayerfully study this page and subject to find out the truth, so that instead of your name being blotted out of the book of life.

    The popular teaching within the churches today says the atonement was finished at the cross and that Christ completed His atoning work for us at the Calvary. Those who believe the atonement was finished at the cross, totally ignore the important shadows and types that were setup in Old Testament times, which were to be literally fulfilled in Christ.

    I will show you on this page that it was impossible for the atonement to be finished at the cross. And yes, I will deal with the famous words "it is FINISHED" and also what Paul said further down the page.

    What does it mean if something is a "shadow"? If you follow a shadow, will it just disappear? No. A shadow is cast by a real object and if you follow that shadow, you will come to the reality. This is what the Old Testament types and shadows were for. They were to bring us to the reality that is in Christ. They were to teach the Jews and us what Christ was going to fulfill. And this is the important point to remember. Christ was to actually fulfill the types and shadows in the Old Testament. Why do you think the Old Testament finished with the command from God to "Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded him." (Malachi 4:4)? Because the types and shadows in the law of Moses teaches us beautiful truths about what Christ was to fulfill. Let's look at the types and shadows concerning sin and making atonement for sin:

    SIN OFFERING - Leviticus 4:27-35
    Leviticus 4:13-20. Numbers 15:27-28.

    Let's just think about this for a moment. We can clearly see above what was to happen when a person, or the whole congregation sinned. And remember, the whole congregation bore the sin of one person as shown in Joshua 7,regarding Achan and also Numbers 15:24. Now, was the above 'shadow' and 'type' to be fulfilled in Christ? Yes, no doubt. But let us look at what was involved. The sinner had to offer and slay an 'innocent' animal 'without blemish.' This clearly pointed to the fulfillment in Christ, our perfect 'lamb without blemish' who was slain for us on the cross at Calvary. Now my question is, did it end there? Was that "job done"? Did slaying the animal 'make atonement' for the sinner? No. As you can clearly see the 'shadow' and 'type' in Leviticus and Numbers above, a priest was appointed to then take that blood, transferring the sin to the sanctuary to 'make atonement' for the sinner. The sinner did not receive atonement from just the slaying of the innocent animal. The sinner received final atonement through the work of the priest - "THE PRIEST shall MAKE ATONEMENT".

    Do you see this? Remember, a shadow HAS to meet it's REALITY, it does not just disappear. And how many realities are in this picture? 1 - Sacrifice offering, 2 - priest to make atonement. There are TWO realities to be fulfilled from the 'shadows' and 'types'. Christ was not just to fulfil the role of sacrifice offering. He was also to make atonement for us.
    Leviticus 4:16-17
    So the sin offering was made, which pointed to Christ on the cross, but there is something else that happened AFTER the sin offering was made,which we can see above. The priest was to 'mediate' for that person or congregation, taking the blood into the sanctuary to make atonement for the people. So those who stop at the cross and say Christ's work of atonement was complete are missing the important part the priest played in the 'type', which was also to meet its reality in Christ.

    So those who believe the atonement was finished at the cross need to ask themselves some serious questions:

    1 - The atonement was made by the priest. Who was the appointed priest at Calvary?

    2 - The atonement was made in the sanctuary by the priest. Calvary was not the sanctuary.

    Now Paul confirms what we are saying on this page without question in the book of Hebrews, chapter 8 and 9. Let us carefully examine what Paul says in the following verses in Hebrews: 8:1-4
    Look what Paul said regarding Jesus being our High Priest. If he were on earth, He COULD NOT be our priest. This means Jesus could NOT be our priest at the same time as when He was our sacrifice on earth. The role of High Priest had to come AFTER His resurrection and ascension to heaven, because as you can also see from Hebrews above, Jesus was to be a "minister of the sanctuary" in heaven, "of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man." So Jesus was to become our High Priest after His sacrifice and return to heaven. But to do what? To fulfil the 'shadow' and 'type' as given in the old covenant - to make atonement for us. Look at Hebrews 9:
    Hebrews 9:6-26
    As you can see clearly above, Christ entered into the heavenly sanctuary, the TRUE tabernacle of which the earthly was a copy, there to fulfil the role of High Priest, of which the earthly priest was a 'type' of Christ mediating for the people to make atonement for them and their sins with blood. This role Christ could NOT fulfil while on earth. His role on earth was the role of 'offering' and 'sacrifice'. Only AFTER this was accomplished was Christ then able to BECOME our Mediator (1Timothy 2:5) and make atonement for our sins.

    Are I am saying that the sacrifice of Christ on the cross was not the atonement? No. What I'm are saying, as the Bible clearly lays out, is that Calvary was the BEGINNING of the spotless animal in the Old Testament 'type' was the beginning of the atonement. But it was the priest who completed that atonement for sinners. Jesus dying on the cross was the beginning of His atoning work. Now He is in heaven as our High Priest FINISHING the atonement.

    Look at what it says in the last verse of Hebrews 9:26 above. What does it mean where it says "in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin"? To 'put away sin' means to 'cleanse' to 'make clean', 'reconcile' 'purify', 'sanctify' - to ATONE, to make us 'at-one-ment' with God. So clearly, the atonement did not finished at the cross, it began at the cross. And Jesus is now making final atonement for us in the heavenly sanctuary as our High Priest and Mediator before the Father.

    THE DAY OF ATONEMENT

    This is now brings us to onto another 'type' in the covenant model, which points to the final atonement work that Christ was to fulfil. God instituted a ceremony called 'the day of atonement', which was to be performed only once a year on the tenth day of the seventh month by the High Priest alone. Let us take a look at the Bible verses concerning this ceremony:
    Leviticus 16:2-30
    Wow! This was an incredible ceremony and yet so many professed Christians cannot see this importance of this 'type' and 'shadow' that was to be fulfilled by Christ. We learned earlier in this page that the sins of the people were transferred onto the sacrificial animal, and then into the sanctuary by the mediation of the priest. Were the sins of the people counted as forgiven any time of the year, if by faith they offered the sacrifice and the priest made atonement for their sacrifice in the sanctuary? Yes, absolutely, the sins of the people were forgiven at any time when their offering was made and the priest made atonement for them. But their sins were NOT 'blotted out' at that time. They were still 'on record' in the sanctuary. And this is where the day of atonement came into play on the tenth day of the seventh month each year.

    The day of atonement had a number of purposes. It was a type of judgment ot the people, which is why they had to "afflict their souls", and it was also for the complete removal of sins from the people and from the records in the sanctuary, which is why the 'live scape goat' received the sins and was led into the wilderness away from the sanctuary and the congregation. And this day of atonement 'type', the removal of sin, was NOT completed by Christ on the cross. No, it is now being fulfilled by Christ our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary. So what importance does this have for us today? Let us think about some things regarding the day of atonement:

    Was atonement made for the sinner who was not grieved over their sins and continued to live in self pleasure seeking and sin?

    The short answer is absolutely not! As we read above in Leviticus 16, the people were to "afflict their souls" during this annual ceremony, the day of atonement. And look at what it says in Leviticus 23 concerning this:
    Leviticus 23:27-29

    So as we can see, those who were not afflicted during this time, those who were not grieved by their sins and sought to put them away completely, sacrificing all to the Lord, would be 'cut off' from among the people. So if Jesus is fulfilling this day of atonement 'type' in heaven, 'blotted out' our sins from the records books, to make final atonement for us, what should we be doing as His people? We should be deeply grieved over our sins and be seeking to turn away from all sin, putting them away, allowing Christ to completely cleanse us of all sin, given us complete victory over them.

    This is what Christ is doing now in heaven during this 'anti-typical' day of atonement. He is not only blotting out our sins from the record books in the heavenly sanctuary, 'cleansing' the sanctuary. He is seeking to blot out sin FROM OUR LIVES, cleansing our 'body temple'. But those who continue living for this world, living in willful sin and self pleasure seeking will NOT received atonement and will be 'CUT OFF' from among God's people! Do you see the importance of this?
    2Peter 3:11
    The 'cleansing' of the literal fulfillment of the day of atonement began in 1844, of which the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel pointed to.

    Now if Jesus made complete atonement on the cross, then all past and future sins of everyone who accepts the sacrifice of Christ has been completely atoned for already, and therefore those people are saved, no matter what they do after accepting the sacrifice of Christ. This is what 'once saves, always saved' people believe. They believe once our names are in the book of life in heaven, we cannot be lost. But the Bible teaches otherwise!
    Revelation 3:5
    For Jesus to say that those who 'OVERCOME' He will NOT blot out their names from the book of life, tells us that who do NOT overcome. Can you see the role of Jesus as our High Priest in Revelation 3 above? He is making final atonement for us with the Father in the most Holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, of which the earthly was a copy. And it is only those who abide by faith in Jesus, surrendering and sacrificing ALL to Him, allowing Jesus cleanse us from ALL sin, making us 'overcomers', who will REMAIN in the book of life.

    You only need to look at the 'type' God gave us in the Old Testament. Look at how many Jews were destroyed and forever LOST due to their continued sinful lives and disobedience. And yet these were 'God's people.' The same applies to us today. If we 'claim' to have faith in Jesus, but continue to live worldly lives of sin and disobedience to God's will, then we too will be destroyed and forever lost. This is why God gave us these 'types' in the Old Testament, to teach us and lead us in the ways of righteousness.

    PAUL SAID WE HAVE 'RECEIVED' THE ATONEMENT
     
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    You did not provide the quotation from which you obtained the term 'Shadow'.

    A shadow can mark time on stationary objects as in 2 Kings 20 in which a miracle working prophet offers to have a shadow go backwards on some steps for King Hezekiah. For the shadow to go backward is considered by Hezekiah to be a sufficient sign, but Hezekiah receives some very strange results from this sign and other similar signs. Apparently the signs control the lives of kings, and they can accidentally ruin their kingdoms by firing too few arrows or asking for the wrong sign or saying they don't need a sign. (This must keep them up at night, worrying "Oh no what there is a sign and I do the wrong thing?") In 2 kings 20, King Hezekiah is given the option for the shadow to move as it normally does or to got backward on the steps. He chooses for it to go backward. Of course. Any thinking person would have chosen that, but what was the significance? Why this sign?

    I don't think you can explain it. Therefore I also don't think you are qualified to make such extreme claims about the importance of your post about shadows. I don't think you know as much about your topic as you ought.


    Wow your page must be the most important thing in my life! That isn't actually the case, however your heartfelt concern sounds nice.

    I will agree that atonement is a subject that people on the protestant side often do not study, but are Christians generally graded on our knowledge? It doesn't seem so, since we are not Torah keepers. We can benefit from study, but to place such extreme emphasis upon one's post just is somehow not quite right. It seems paradoxical to quote Paul without recognizing his emphasis upon our inability to fully understand anything, or John with his similar observation that truth and wisdom come from the Father only not from you to me or me to you. Or James with his observation that the tongue is poison. How can you possibly think your post is so important for my salvation?

    I would deflate this extreme importance given to this term shadows and this urging that unless we understand your post we'll be blotted out of the book of life. Remember this quote: "Jesus I know and Paul I know, but who are you?" If a demons says this then don't expect humans to listen either.
     
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    In response to post #1.

    First of all you must understand who the Christ is.

    The word “CHRIST” means “The Anointed One.” Enoch was the one anointed by the Most-High as his successor.

    Christ is the English term for the Greek Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "The anointed one" It is a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah or Mashiac. The Hebrew word translated "anointed" is the verb form of the noun "Messiah."

    Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 (In days --- A calendar year: the one-year old sacrificial lamb of God) and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had taken him.

    Hebrews 11: 5; “By faith Enoch was translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and was not found, because God had translated him.”

    The only man to have ascended to the ends of time and was translated so as to never see death, and this man plays absolutely no part in the belief of the Jewish or universal/Catholic church of Emperor Constantine. The stone that the builders rejected has turned out to be the most important stone off all.

    The author of the book of Hebrews could only have received the information that Enoch was translated in order to never see death, from the books of Enoch themselves, as nowhere in the canon of the Roman church. Or the Hebrew bible, is that information to be found, and which information is found nowhere else other than in the books of Enoch the righteous, from which Jesus and his apostles taught, which books were cherished by the early Christians, and were held in great reverence by many of the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Tertullian and Origen, until the early 4th century, when under the ban of dogmatic religious authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, such as Jerome, Hillary and Augustin, they passed out of circulation and were thought lost for millennia.

    In the Epistle of Jude, who is also called Thomas Didymus Jude [The Twin], and who was born to the house of Mary the mother of Jesus and her husband, the carpenter, See Matthew 13: 55; Jude quotes verbatim from the book of Enoch.

    Jude 1: 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, (Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.)

    The Book of Enoch---[Chapter 1]
    1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is 3 for to come. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:

    The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling,
    4 And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, (even) on Mount Sinai,
    [And appear from His camp]
    And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens.

    5 And all shall be smitten with fear
    And the Watchers shall quake,
    And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth.

    6 And the high mountains shall be shaken,
    And the high hills shall be made low,
    And shall melt like wax before the flame

    7 And the earth shall be wholly rent in sunder,
    And all that is upon the earth shall perish,
    And there shall be a judgement upon all (men).

    8 But with the righteous He will make peace.
    And will protect the elect,
    And mercy shall be upon them.
    And they shall all belong to God,
    And they shall be prospered,
    And they shall all be blessed.
    And He will help them all,
    And light shall appear unto them,
    And He will make peace with them'.

    9 (And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
    To execute judgement upon all,
    And to destroy all the ungodly:
    And to convict all flesh
    Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
    And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.)
    See Jude verses 14-16.

    "The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

    And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord's face. [Archistratege. Or, "the commander of the armies of the nations, named Michael."]

    Hebrew 12: 24; “You have come to Jesus, who arranged THE NEW COVENANT, and the sprinkled blood that promises much better things than does the blood of Abel.”

    And the Most-High, (who held the ransom blood of righteous Abel, which could save but one man) said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word." Enoch, was the first to be released.

    It was to the living spirit of Enoch, that the righteous spirits of his post-flood descendants were gathered in the creation of the Great and glorious simulacrum at the ends of time, which Simulacrum is the sacrifice that God has prepared for us, and the blue-print of the new Temple of God [The glorious incorruptible bodies of Light] which are to replace his old temporary earthly tabernacle/tent [The Body of Mankind] as the ruler of the creation, of which Enoch was the chosen cornerstone, and the evolved head of that Simulacrum, which is born of the spirits of man, “THE SON OF MAN”, who dies in the process of involution, to be the savior of we in evolution.

    And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory." [Enoch, is the one who was anointed as the successor to the throne of the Most-High in the creation: Christ= The Anointed one.]

    And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

    To translate something is to change it from one form to another. Hebrews 11: 5; “By faith Enoch was translated so that he should not experience death, and he was not found because God had translated him.”

    Enoch the cornerstone, was the first and the last, in the creation of God’s new temple, the man Jesus.
     
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  4. The Anointed

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    Continued from post #3.

    From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason, Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it." Adam died at the age of 930 in the first day.

    Jubilees 4: 21-23; And he (ENOCH) was moreover with the angels of God these six jubilees of years, and they showed him everything which is on earth and in the heavens, the rule of the sun, and he wrote down 22 everything. And he testified to the Watchers, who had sinned with the daughters of men; for these had begun to unite themselves, so as to be defiled, with the daughters of men, and Enoch 23 testified against (them) all. And he was taken from amongst the children of men, and we conducted him into the Garden of Eden in majesty and honour, and behold there he writes down the condemnation and judgment of the world, and all the wickedness of the children of men. And on account of it (God) brought the waters of the flood upon all the land of Eden;

    Unlike Enoch who condemned the body of Man, Jesus came to save us sinners.

    After Enoch (The Accuser) had been in the valley of man (The spiritual dimension that co-exists within our three- dimensional world) for three days, or three thousand years, and had learned through suffering to be obedient, he was reborn on earth as the spirit within the man Jesus.

    According to 1st Peter 20-21, water baptism is symbolic of the flood, in which the old body of mankind that had descended from Adam was submerged in the baptismal waters of the world, and the new body of Enoch [The eight survivors in the ark] came up out of those baptismal waters.

    Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives are all direct genetic descendants of Enoch through his six sons Methusulah, Rigam, Riman, Urchan, Cherminion and Giadad.

    Enoch speaks of the things he saw in his ascent to the 10th heaven:

    “And in that place mine eyes saw the Elect One of righteousness and of faith, and I saw his dwelling place beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits, and righteousness shall prevail in his days, and the righteous and elect shall be without number before him forever and ever. And all the righteous and elect before him shall be as fiery lights, and their mouths shall be full of blessing. And their lips shall extol the name of the Lord of Spirits, and righteousness before him shall never fail.”

    There I wished to dwell, and my spirit longed for that dwelling place: and henceforth hath been my portion. For so it hath been established concerning me before the Lord of Spirits.--------------On that day Mine Elect One shall sit on the throne of glory and shall try their works, and their places of rest shall be innumerable, and their souls shall grow strong within them when they see Mine elect ones, and those who have called on MY Glorious Name ( my addition; JHWH= Who I Am).

    And the Elect One in those days shall sit on MY throne, (Enoch is the living indwelling ancestral spirit of all the descendants of the eight souls who were saved by the water) and his mouth shall pour forth all the secrets of wisdom and counsel; for the Lord of Spirits hath given them to him and hath glorified him, etc.

    Then I will cause Mine Elect One to dwell among them. And I will transform the heaven and make it an eternal blessing of Light, and I will transform the earth and make it a blessing: and I will cause Mine elect ones to dwell upon it: but the sinners and evil-doers shall not set foot thereon, for I have provided and satisfied with peace My righteous one.

    Concerning the Elect one of righteousness, Enoch the Prophet has this to say 49: 3; “In him dwells the spirit of wisdom, and the spirit which gives insight, and the spirit of understanding and of might, and ‘THE SPIRITS OF THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.’”

    These are the spirits of Good people who fell asleep in righteousness after paying the blood price for their inherited sin and any mistakes that they had made in life, they, who were judged as righteous and were separated from the unrighteous dead, and gathered to the evolving living spirit within the bosom of Abraham, which body of righteous Spirits over whom death had no more power, were released when on the cross Jesus gave up the spirit, crying out "My God, my God why have you abandoned me, as the graves of those Saints were opened, and three days later, they came out of those graves and entered the Holy city and revealed themselves as the risen body of Christ who had been anointed as the successor to the throne of the Most high in the creation.

    On the day that Jesus was baptised, the spirit of our Lord God and savior descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; "You are my Son, THIS DAY I have begotten thee, or as said in Hebrews 5:5; You are my Son, TODAY I have become your Father.

    Enoch could never die, but he could cease to be an individual entity, by first duplicating himself in the man Jesus, his chosen heir and successor, then releasing all the righteous spirits that were HE.
     
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    You are right atonement was not achieved when Jesus died.

    This did not happen until after Jesus was resurrected and returned to heaven. There, as high priest, he was able to offer up his perfect human life that he gave in behalf of humankind before the throne of Jehovah.

    As you pointed out, Paul, in Hebrews pointed this out. So atonement happened after Jesus returned to heaven. The Bible tells us that he returned to heaven 40 days after his resurrection. On the 50th day, the day of Pentecost he anointed the Christian congregation with holy spirit. So between that time period was when the atonement happened:

    However, when Christ came as a high priest of the good things that have already taken place, he passed through the greater and more perfect tent not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 He entered into the holy place, not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, but with his own blood, once for all time, and obtained an everlasting deliverance for us. 13 For if the blood of goats and of bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who have been defiled sanctifies for the cleansing of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of the Christ, who through an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works so that we may render sacred service to the living God?"-Hebrews 9:11-14.

    For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before God on our behalf. 25 This was not done to offer himself often, as when the high priest enters into the holy place from year to year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise, he would have to suffer often from the founding of the world. But now he has manifested himself once for all time at the conclusion of the systems of things to do away with sin through the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment, 28 so also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many...-vs 24-28.
     
  6. Pipiripi

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    From my first post you even understand nothing what was written in the Old Testament and sacrifices before Jesus come here as a baby and die for our sin. Begin to read again but this time with your Bible.
     
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    His ministry was finished....at the cross

    atonement is not a birth right
     
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    Well, ''finished'' in this context means that there is nothing we can humanly do that can ''earn'' us atonement, and in turn, salvation. That is what is meant by ''finished.''
     
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    I hope that you have understand a little about ATONEMENT. If you want more wait, later I will give you more.
     
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    Pipiripi End Times Prophecy.

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    I will write later a little more. We must preach the complete truth. Not half truth and half untrue.
     
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    Part 1
    Psalm 69:27-28
    The majority of professed Christians in the world do not understand the significance of the above verse, due to a wrong understanding of the atonement, and it is my prayer that you will seriously and prayerfully study this page and subject to find out the truth, so that instead of your name being blotted out of the book of life.

    The popular teaching within the churches today says the atonement was finished at the cross and that Christ completed His atoning work for us at the Calvary. Those who believe the atonement was finished at the cross, totally ignore the important shadows and types that were setup in Old Testament times, which were to be literally fulfilled in Christ.


    Christ, the one anointed by the MOST HIGH in the creation, who was to serve God before the body of Adam (The Lord of Creatures) as his heir and successor, (The Son of Man) is the spirit who is evolving within the body of Eve, who has become the great pregnant androgynous body of mankind, as the spirits of the righteous are gathered to him, ‘The cornerstone’ to the new and more glorious temple of God, which is to replace his old tent/tabernacle mankind as the ruler of all creation, (The Most High in the creation.)

    We all have sinned, and we all must pay the blood price for the sins of our flesh, then go off into Judgement, and ‘The Son of Man’ is the only one who can pay the penalty for the sins of the body in which He develops.

    I will show you on this page that it was impossible for the atonement to be finished at the cross. And yes, I will deal with the famous words "it is FINISHED" and also what Paul said further down the page.

    And I have shown you, that when the anointed one abandoned his chosen heir and successor on the cross, and ceased to be an individual entity by releasing the spirits of the righteous, who had been gathered to him (The chosen cornerstone to God’s new temple of light.) The life of the sinful woman ‘EVE’ was justified by the son that she bore to her Lord, ‘The Most High’ in the creation.

    It was he who cried out in Psalms 51: 5; “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me.” It is He, the Son of Eve, who crushes the head of Satan.

    The stone that the Jewish and Christian Churches rejected, has turned out to be the most important stone of all.

    What does it mean if something is a "shadow"? If you follow a shadow, will it just disappear? No. A shadow is cast by a real object and if you follow that shadow, you will come to the reality. This is what the Old Testament types and shadows were for. They were to bring us to the reality that is in Christ. They were to teach the Jews and us what Christ was going to fulfill. And this is the important point to remember. Christ was to actually fulfill the types and shadows in the Old Testament. Why do you think the Old Testament finished with the command from God to "Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded him." (Malachi 4:4)? Because the types and shadows in the law of Moses teaches us beautiful truths about what Christ was to fulfill. Let's look at the types and shadows concerning sin and making atonement for sin:

    Colossians 2: 16-18; So let no one make rules about what you eat or drink or about holy days or the New Moon Festival or the Sabbath. All such things are only a shadow of things in the future; the reality is Christ. Do not allow yourselves to be condemned by anyone who claims to be superior because of special visions and who insists on false humility and the worship of angels. For no reason at all, such people are all puffed up by their human way of thinking.

    The weekly Sabbath was only a shadow of the future reality, which is the great Sabbath of one thousand years, which will be ruled by Jesus and the chosen 144,000, who are to take the thrones that are prepared for them and rule as Kings with Jesus for the thousand years.

    The festival of first fruits is fulfilled in Jesus.

    As all the chosen righteous have borne the image of the first Adam, so shall they bear the image of the second Adam, the man Jesus, [The first-fruits [Plural] to be harvested from the body of mankind] who appeared to Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus in his new glorified body of brilliant and blinding light. See Acts 9: 3-8; and Acts 22: 6-10.

    Jesus, in who were the spirits of the righteous who had been gathered to the bosom of Abraham, was resurrected on the first day after the weekly Sabbath that followed the Passover, which is the festival of “First Fruits,” (Plural) HE was the first fruits to be harvested from the body of mankind. He was the first of many brothers and sisters, who are to be conformed to the glorious image of God’s only begotten Son, who is the Spirit, that according to our concept of one direction linear time, is still currently developing within the androgynous body of mankind, and who pays the penalty for the sins of the body in which he develops.

    John 1: 12/13; “But as many as received him, to them gave he the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name [I Am Who I Am].”

    And they, like our brother Jesus, who was the first born of the sons of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, are born sons of God, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but by the Spirit of the Lord, which descended upon the man Jesus in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say: “You are my son, today I have begotten thee.” [My chosen Heir and Successor.]

    Jesus, is the first to win the victory and to receive a share of the glorious immortal body of light, which is that of our heavenly savior, which body of light was torn asunder and poured out as fire on the heads of all those who believed his words as spoken through his servant "Jesus" for our salvation.

    In his new glorious body of brilliant and blinding light, He, on the road to Damascus, answered Saul's question, "Who are you Lord?" with these words, "I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute,"

    And Jesus our brother, was given divine glory and now sits in the throne of our Father, and all the chosen ones who have born the image of the first Adam, shall also bear the IMAGE of the glorified Jesus, "The Second Adam," (in the eternal process of change/evolution, for mankind does not close the chapter in the book of evolution) a new creation of bodies of Glorious and blinding Light which is the new Temple of our Lord that is to replace God’s old tabernacle =temporary tent (Mankind) as the ruler on this earth of all creation.

    First, "MAN" (man (אנושׁ : 'enosh') in English, mortal human beings) was created a little lower than the angels, then he is crowned with glory and all creation is placed beneath his feet. All creation is placed beneath the feet of MAN (man (אנושׁ : 'enosh) in English, mortal human beings) WHO IS CROWNED WITH GLORY, we have not yet seen this happen. But we have seen Jesus, the first born from the dead, who has won the victory and was given divine glory by our heavenly Father and saviour, and is now incontestably divine and sits in the heavenly throne of Godhead: and who, in Revelation 3: 21; invites those, who win the victory also, to sit with him in our Father’s throne of Godhead within the creation. And all creation Visible and invisible, which, according to Paul, includes even the angels, will bow at their feet.
     
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    True. But, it’s not half truth. Of course we can expound more but that is the succinct explanation.
     
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    Well, I guess I'll just have to wait and see what you are prepared to set out on the table, and see if there is anything there to titillate the taste buds of my mind, but I very much doubt it.
     
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    Absolutely not. All human beings will perish for their own sins.

    2 Kings 14:6
    But the sons of the slayers he did not put to death, according to what is written in the book of the Law of Moses, as the LORD commanded, saying, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the sons, nor the sons be put to death for the fathers; but each shall be put to death for his own sin."

    Ezekiel 18:4
    "Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.

    Ezekiel 18:20
    "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

    Galations 6: 5
    For every man shall bear his own burden.

    Isaiah 40
    6: A voice says, "Cry!" And I said, "What shall I cry?" All flesh is grass, and all its beauty is like the flower of the field.
    7: The grass withers, the flower fades, when the breath of the LORD blows upon it; surely the people is grass.
    8: The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand for ever.

    Genesis 6
    12: And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth.
    13: And God said to Noah, "I have determined to make an end of all flesh; for the earth is filled with violence through them; behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

    17: For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall die.

    Ecclesiastes 3
    17: I said in my heart, God will judge the righteous and the wicked, for he has appointed a time for every matter, and for every work.
    18: I said in my heart with regard to the sons of men that God is testing them to show them that they are but beasts.
    19: For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts; for all is vanity.
    20: All go to one place; all are from the dust, and all turn to dust again.
     
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    Pipiripi End Times Prophecy.

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    Okay I will write more.
     
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    Pipiripi End Times Prophecy.

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    I see that you are still do not understand what was happened in the Old Testament. Read a little more.
     
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    Like I assumed, nothing there to tempt my mental Palate.

    Christ 'The Anointed one' has atoned for the sins of the flesh in which he developed, and has set me free from the prison of the Jewish laws and regulations. To gain everlasting life, I only have to Love God with all my body. with all my mind and with all my soul, and to do unto my neighbors, only that which I would have them do unto me.

    Colossians 2: 6-19; Since you have accepted Christ Jesus as Lord, live in union with him. 7Keep your roots deep in him, build your lives on him, and become stronger in your faith, as you were taught. And be filled with thanksgiving.

    8See to it, then, that no one enslaves you by means of the worthless deceit of human wisdom, which comes from the teachings handed down by human beings and from the ruling spirits of the universe, and not from Christ. 9For the full content of divine nature lives in Christ, in his humanity, 10and you have been given full life in union with him. He is supreme over every spiritual ruler and authority.

    11In union with Christ you were circumcised, not with the circumcision that is made by human beings, but with the circumcision made by Christ, which consists of being freed from the power of this sinful self. 12For when you were baptized, you were buried with Christ, and in baptism you were also raised with Christ through your faith in the active power of God, who raised him from death. 13You were at one time spiritually dead because of your sins and because you were Gentiles without the Law. But God has now brought you to life with Christ. God forgave us all our sins; 14he cancelled the unfavourable record of our debts with its binding rules and did away with it completely by nailing it to the cross. 15And on that cross Christ freed himself from the power of the spiritual rulers and authorities; he made a public spectacle of them by leading them as captives in his victory procession.

    16 So let no one make rules about what you eat or drink or about holy days or the New Moon Festival or the Sabbath. 17All such things are only a shadow of things in the future; the reality is Christ. 18Do not allow yourselves to be condemned by anyone who claims to be superior because of special visions and who insists on false humility and the worship of angels. For no reason at all, such people are all puffed up by their human way of thinking 19and have stopped holding on to Christ, who is the head of the body. Under Christ's control the whole body is nourished and held together by its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God wants it to grow.
     
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    Natural cosmological history is first says a human scientist in theorising/thesis.

    History in space says, all diverse bodies only exist due to one spatial body. Historic science male stated said I will name this body a womb, it is cold and empty space, and that one body allows any other body to exist created in it.

    Natural thesis science theist says, all bodies created existed first a long time before a human owned their life.

    Why the cosmologist claims his information is more informative than a God theist...who in science discusses Earth O the planet, owner of its own created heavenly gas spirits, whose claim said the spatial vacuum owned cooling of smoking hot carbonised gases originally. Stated vacuum owned the reason why gases converted. Law of relativity.

    O Earth gas spirits from out of its stone stated by a male human thinking, naming and idealising conditions.....is whilst living inside of that formed/present cooled alight gas mass atmosphere. To own conscious idealism, thesis about gases as a spirit terminology in science.

    Science discusses gases as the spirit.
    Science discusses mass as the spirit historically, as hot gases.

    Science.

    Human however meanwhile in their naturally living human owned life, theorist, discusses science. Which is not natural. First self observation in science.

    CH evaluations he gave to the gases his own human self, male/group agreement.

    A and greed. Male consciously says, greed will kill you. Human greed is just human greed. Its motivation can own bad decisions to kill you, yet science originally was males in groups who A greed. Their human choice, group coercion, versus natural group human family.

    Real teaching.

    CH gases that arose he gave the definition in science terms to CHRIST.

    CH gases RI and ST also own evaluations. ST, the ain spatial gases in stone are cold, not burning and entombed. The first and original theme the SAINT.

    Hence a human life was never in first original terms science the SAINT. God the stone was fused.

    + the cross, in science/maths is also the addition. God O has nothing added to its origins. Males in science gave maths/mass a definition of a numerical status, to then apply a minus condition -.

    So used the status CROSS to remove mass.

    Earth historically never owned 4 sea of the son. Only due to ICE and ICE remassing every 12 month, returned and rebirthed did the Earth STABLE life state exist. Teaching of relativity in a natural gas cooled by ICE atmosphere.

    + prophetic probability. Change of the sea of the son. Easter. When spring becomes from winter. When autumn removes life. Rebirth/death theme.

    Hence in science the statement would claim balances even out on O Earth naturally. How that claim in seasonal changes would confer what they realised.

    So if a human in science prophecised that on the + natural cross of the seasons a huge Earth calamity would activate, then they already were advised that the End of Year newly born/return stable status was no longer active.

    Which is relevant to ICE.

    The OLD theme Mala CHI.

    Through the prophet Malachi, the God of Israel exposes just how corrupt the post-exilic generations have become after returning from Babylon. The general picture we get from the book is that the long years of Israel’s exile did not fundamentally change the hearts of the people. They’re still in rebellion against God, the temple is corrupted, and it leaves the reader waiting for some kind of resolution. And that’s exactly what Malachi announces. The Day of the Lord is coming to purify Israel.

    The theme wandering asteroid star gas release in space conditions, allows the rebirth of the human male baby DNA. Which is not ICE. History said in the times of Moses/Temple and pyramid huge floods occurred as the ICE had melted.

    Earth was still in the condition out of space cooling with ICE mass historic loss.

    What was taught historically to humanity in the sciences. ICE was very important to life continuance on Earth, and had not yet reached its returned end of year amassing.

    Therefore not only did life lose its microbial presence in water by ICE keeping water cooled. For temperature is important for human cell food to be present in the water as energy for life. All of nature depended on that support.

    As =+seasonal balances cross was not equalised/met, it was proof to everyone that science had in fact by Temple/pyramid atmospheric gas mass burning above our Heads in Satanism acts....original Sin removal, sacrificed our life.

    As radiation fall out is explained as the gas/spirit fire that falls out of God...both as physical Earth mass into sink holes and above our head, as the equals science/Satanic answer.

    Therefore future Earth attacks, as the Bahai stated, incoming asteroid mass/meteor/comet causes......the stone trying to release its carbonised mass and leaving spirit gases in space, cannot achieve its slow releasing spatial condition.

    Instead it becomes swift moving and hits Earth still owning stone mass. What relative scientific status already advised and knew. It would keep coming back and stop when the held UFO mass science/Temple pyramid constant, which owned future atmospheric predictions. For one reason only. Science involved thesis for burning gases in conversion.

    And not natural evolution....so of course the future of life on Earth was predicted to be changed and attacked/harmed by old science/Satanic converting thesis.

    God teachings said and stated, that falling fire from God changes would continue to sacrifice life after the Jesus event. Exactly what it said, being radiation mass fall out. As the spatial vacuum cooling of gases burning to own light only deals with a particular amount of gas mass burning. Increase the gas mass burning and it falls out instead. As the spatial Holy womb cannot cool and hold it.

    How the thesis Mother Abomination was irradiation/gas burning fall out attack on ground life, as a correct scientific thesis/teaching.

    2012 was stated when the spatial womb/vacuum would return the water mass taken from the ground and put above our heads...to cool and heal our sacrificed and harmed life body. It would have renewed our flesh/cells and given back our holy blood.

    Instead reapplication for nuclear occult UFO holding of mass above our heads, Satanism, re sacrificed our life....why conditions as EBOLA returned....unnatural cellular changes. Notified by atmospheric and spatial irradiation events.
     
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    I am jealous of your smarts. I must repent of such jealousy. Oooh I am so mad at you.
     
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    You’re pretty smart - no need to covet. :p
     
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