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  1. The Anointed

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    The eternal energy, which has neither beginning or end, has become all that exists (Which includes your dogs, cats, birds, fish, insects, humans etc." in the process of becoming this universe and all herein.
     
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    You're still not addressing the question.

    By what process did God turn this "eternal energy" into a dog? Talk me through it.
     
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    Wake up sunshine. The eternal energy is God.....God is the eternal energy, who has become this universe and all herein. God did not turn the eternal energy into anything, the eternal energy that is God, became this universe and all herein.

    God did not turn the eternal energy into the microbes, insects, fish, birds, animals and mankind, which are part and parcel of his invisible/spiritual body that is made manifest in this supposedly material universe. God developed to be all that exists, without him nothing exists. All that exists came though the eternal energy that is God, and for the eternal energy that is God.

    Which theory as to the creation of this universe do you accept? Or are you a reed that bends whichever way the wind blows?
     
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    Wake up sunshine. The eternal energy is God.....God is the eternal energy, who has become this universe and all herein. God did not turn the eternal energy into anything, the eternal energy that is God, became this universe and all herein.

    God did not turn the eternal energy into the microbes, insects, fish, birds, animals and mankind, which are part and parcel of his invisible/spiritual body that is made manifest in this supposedly material universe. God developed to be all that exists, without him nothing exists. All that exists came though the eternal energy that is God, and for the eternal energy that is God.

    Which theory as to the creation of this universe do you accept? Or are you a reed that bends whichever way the wind blows?
     
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    But in the bible God creates the land animals, which include the dog, one after another. Before, they didn't exist. After, they did. You said before that you thought the Creation story was true, so from no dogs to dogs happened in an afternoon as a wilful act.

    How was it done?

    Or do you disbelieve the Creation story after all?
    I accept the best opinion of those who know most about the subject, so I accept the Big Bang model at this time. As for the universe at Time Zero, I hypothesize that it contained preexisting unmagical mass-energy; and that the universe we see, both spacetime and its contents, are due to qualities of unmagical mass-energy. (It would not make a great deal of difference to my hypothesis should the contents of the Big Bang at T0 turn out to be a salad rather than a monism.)
     
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    Good! If you believe the Big Bang theory, you must accept that at the instant of the supposed singularity being spatially separated, the expanding space was filled with nothing but a plasma-like soup of electromagnetic energy in the trillions and trillions of degrees. You must also believe that it was that energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this universe and all herein, and that the quantum of that eternal energy is the wave-like particles, which are not particles at all, as they have zero mass and no electric charge, and yet they carry angular and linear momentum.

    But if you believe in the theory of Evolution without intelligent design, then you must believe that a universe of mindless matter created all the life within this boundless cosmos, and your scientific evolutionists, should be able to tell you how a dog was created by your universe of mindless matter.

    But they can't, they haven't got a clue, other than to suggest that they may, and I repeat, they MAY have evolved from wolves.

    I myself believe in the process of evolution. I believe that the space station and all its earthly support systems, has evolved from the wheel over thousands of years, but evolved through intelligent design.
     
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    Yes, the evidence points in no other direction.

    And 'intelligent design' with reference to a supernatural designer is an incoherent concept, so it can't be on the table as an alternative.
    The description of the path from chemistry to working biochemistry is a work in progress, as you no doubt know from reading the science news. It's curious that you should conclude that abiogenesis is only explicable in irrational terms.
    But no evidence supports you ─ in fact it bluntly contradicts you ─ and no testable hypothesis emerges from your speculation.

    And if you don't like the theory of evolution, which is the generalized overview of the fact of evolution, perhaps you should study it more closely with a more open mind.

    After all, you think the dog (and life) came into being by magic, and apparently you're too bashful to own to that idea since you keep ducking my simple question.

    If that's wrong, talk me through the process God used to bring the dog into being ─ the how of it.

    Otherwise it would be fair to say that science can explain a lot and (since magic without the how explains nothing) you can't explain anything, no?
     
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    What is one's source of information and how much is one's source reliable, please?

    Regards
     
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    The Anointed said:

    if you believe in the theory of Evolution without intelligent design, then you must believe that a universe of mindless matter created all the life within this boundless cosmos

    The Anointed........You wrote that the evidence points in no other direction, other than all life within this boundless Cosmos, was created by and from a universe of mindless matter, when all the accepted scientific evidence, points to the fact that your so-called mindless matter was created from Energy that cannot be created nor destroyed, which means that it has existed for all eternity and will continue to exist and evolve into all eternity.

    Enoch the righteous, who was carried to the ends of this particular period of universal activity, witnessed this universe burn up and fall as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth into the Great Abyss (Black Hole) beyond which, there was nothing. And Enoch describes the Great Abyss, as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven.

    Our ancient ancestors expressed the belief that our scientists of today are just beginning to come to terms with, and that is, that following each “Big Bang” there comes the “Big Crunch,” when this universe is condensed once again, into the SUPPOSEDLY infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity from which it originated.

    “Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non-being, and again from non-being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all, the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

    The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds would seem as an eternity, or but a moment in time.

    ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”

    The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles of endless rebirths that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

    Enoch the righteous, wrote that God created an eighth day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one eon, etc, etc, and all who enter into the generation of the Light beings, are able to visit all those worlds that still exist in Space-Time, but not in our time.

    A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. This is the true resurrection in which all from the previous cycle of universal activity, who still have the judgmental war raging within them, are born again into the endless cycles of physical manifestation, or rebirths.
     
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    Continued from post #89

    When the body, in which ‘YOU’ the invisible mind or spirit would develop, was born and took its first breath, an individual entity, completely separate from the information taken in by the mother body, began to form through the information that was taken in through the senses of that body, and that was the beginning of your journey to that which we call death and the return of your physical body to the universal elements from which it was created, in which Physical womb, you, the invisible mind and controlling spiritual godhead to that body, had hopefully developed.

    So too, the eternal energy, which was spewed out in the event that is called the Big Bang from which, eternal energy, this seemingly expanding universe was created, was just the beginning of its journey to its Big Crunch, when this apparent material universe, after having developed within itself a Supreme personality of Godhead, [The Most High in the creation] that universal body, then descends into the bottomless pit and that universal body of the newly developed Son of God, is reconverted to the energy from which it originated.

    The Great Attractor: what is this thing?

    The smallest unit of galaxies out there is our local group, comprising the Milky Way, the Andromeda galaxy and about 50 others. The Local Group is in turn part of the Virgo Supercluster containing some 40,000 members. Beyond all this is an unseen object called the Great Attractor which is pulling the Milky Way and all else towards it at the terrific speed of 14 million mph. What is this thing, how far away is it, and what will happen when we reach it? No one knows.

    Detailed observations of the galaxies around us indicate that there is superposed on the Hubble flow a large-scale streaming motion of about 600 km/s in the general direction of the constellation Centaurus.

    This mass migration includes the Local Group, the Virgo Cluster, the Hydra--Centaurus Supercluster, and other groups and clusters for a distance of at least 60 Mpc up and downstream from us. It is as if a great river of galaxies (including our own) is flowing with a swift current of 600 km/s toward Centaurus.

    Calculations indicate that ~1016 solar masses concentrated 65 Mpc away in the direction of Centaurus would account for this. This mass concentration has been dubbed the Great Attractor. Detailed investigation of that region of the galaxy cluster Abell 3627) finds 10 times too little visible matter to account for this flow, again implying a dominant gravitational role for unseen or dark matter. Thus, the Great Attractor is certainly there (because we see its gravitational influence), but the major portion of the mass that must be there cannot be seen in our telescopes.

    Enoch, the only man recorded in the Scriptures to have been carried to the throne of the Most High in the creation, and who was anointed as his successor, was then escorted to the ends of time, where he witnessed the universe burn up and fall as massive columns of fire, beyond all measure in height and depth into the GREAT ABYSS, which is described by Enoch, as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven, beyond which, there was nothing, not even the space in which the universe had existed.
     
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    Continued from Post #90.

    Nothing Is Solid & Everything Is Energy – Scientists Explain The World of Quantum Physics*

    In 1935, Einstein and physicist Nathan Rosen used the theory of general relativity to elaborate on the idea of black holes and worm holes, proposing the existence of "bridges" through space-time. These bridges connect two different points in space-time, theoretically creating a shortcut that could reduce travel time and distance; Billions of light years to mere metres.

    According to general relativity, the gravitational collapse of a sufficiently compact mass forms a singular Schwarzschild black hole. In the Einstein–Cartan–Sciama–Kibble theory of gravity, however, it forms a regular Einstein–Rosen bridge.

    The gravitational collapse of a single star such as the star of our solar system, can form a White Dwarf, the gravitational collapse of bigger stars can create a neutron star, or a Black Hole, and depending on its mass, a Worm Hole.

    A worm Hole could theoretically be used as a method of sending information or travellers through space, unfortunately, physical matter which includes humans journeying through the space tunnels would appear to be an impossibility as there are strong indications that material objects travelling through a worm hole is forbidden by the law of physics.

    But now that it has been discovered that Physical matter is but an illusion, and all is, but the eternal energy, perhaps one day new technology may develop a way to teleport bodies of energy along light beams and reconstruct them to their original form, with no damage done. Wormholes may not only connect two separate regions within the universe, they could also connect two different universes.

    It is my belief, that which is called “The Singularity,” Is the ‘White Hole’ at the end of the worm Hole that is connected to the Black Hole (Great Abyss), or Bottomless Pit, into which a universal body had fallen, where it is torn to pieces Molecule by molecule, atom by atom, sub-atomic particle by sub-atomic particle, and reconverted into the electromagnetic energy from which they were created and accelerated along the dark worm hole to speeds far, far in excess of the speed of light, where that liquid like Electromagnetic energy is spewed out in the trillions of degrees, somewhere far beyond the visible horizon of the eternal and boundless cosmos, where, from the cooling quantum of that electromagnetic energy a new universe is created, or rather, the old universe is resurrected, to continue on in its eternal process of evolution.

    So now, let me close with these words from they who know.

    “Get over it, and accept the inarguable conclusion. The universe is immaterial-mental and spiritual” (1) – Richard Conn Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University (quote taken from “the mental universe)

    A fundamental conclusion of the new physics also acknowledges that the OBSERVER CREATES THE REALITY. As observers, we are personally involved with the creation of our own reality. Physicists are being forced to admit that the UNIVERSE IS "MENTAL CONSTRUCTION" .

    Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)
     
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    The only known life in the universe is on earth (unless we left a few microbes on the moon or Mars).
    Or, as I suspect, time is a product of the qualities of mass-energy, that is, it exists because mass-energy exists and not vice versa, in which case no question of eternities arises.
    Let’s skip all the myths. Please present only real evidence.
    What, everything’s illusion? You don’t believe that or you wouldn’t bother posting here; you wouldn’t even bother breathing, eating, using a computer; you wouldn’t believe you had parents. This is the perfect time to say, Get real.

    And at the end of what, 1800 words, you didn’t once address the question.

    So let’s get back to the point.

    Talk me through making the dog from ‘eternal energy’. How’s it done?
     
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    Yes, physical matter is naught but an illusion. This seemingly physical
    universe, is the Great invisible thinkers thoughts made manifest.

    You can see this body in which the invisible mind that is ME, has developed, but you cannot see ME. The only way that you can know ME is by listening to my words, which are the expression of the information taken in through the senses of this womb in which "I AM" Continuing to evolve/grow as more data is received.

    For the word of God can be likened
    To a star that's being ever brightened
    By the mind of Man reaching ever higher
    But those who deviate, They're liars

    In God's word man's mind can grow
    But those outside are like the snow
    That settles on the desert sand
    And will melt away before "I AM."...…..The Anointed.

    If you cannot accept the inarguable conclusion of some of the greatest minds in the field of Quantum Physics, who are now being forced to admit that the UNIVERSE IS A "MENTAL CONSTRUCTION", and that mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, but that we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter, then that is your loss.

    So the Great thinker thought your dogs into existence, as an integral/essential component necessary for the living universal body.

    It is all the information/spirit gathered by my ancestors, human and pre-human in the creation of 'Who I Am' from the earliest life form on this planet, that is the evolving parental spirit, with whom I am ONE, that dwells behind the veil of the flesh to this body, which is the temporary tent/tabernacle of "Who I Am," as "Who I Am" awaits the creation of the glorious Light temple of 'Who I Am."

    Just as mankind had developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, so too, the 'SON OF MAN,' Who develops within the androgynous body of mankind, and who Is the MOST HIGH in the creation, and who can and has, descended from his high point in time, to pay the blood price for the sins of the flesh in which he developed, as we all once had to do, until that great sacrifice was made.

    But perhaps you might believe that the book of evolution/Growth ended with the creation of mankind, and that the 'Great Mind,' which is the collective consciousness of all that it has become, has ceased to evolve.

    BTW; Moses was a Hebrew.
     
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    Okay, but as I pointed out, they didn't exist from the beginning ─ the story is clear that before the sixth day they don't exist and after the sixth day they do.

    And you keep omitting the part that matters, the how when
    something is 'thought into existence'.

    So talk me through thinking a dog into existence. Start, process, result.

    Or are you in fact saying it's done by magic, just by wishing and magic words? There's no how because it's all imaginary?
     
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    blu 2 wrote....... Okay, but as I pointed out, they didn't exist from the beginning ─ the story is clear that before the sixth day they don't exist and after the sixth day they do.

    The Anointed...…. You do realise that the 6th day is the sixth period of universal activity?

    The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds would seem as an eternity, or but a moment in time.

    ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”


    blu 2 wrote...…. And you keep omitting the part that matters, the how when something is 'thought into existence'.

    The Anointed...….. HOW? The same way that you think a thought into existence. WHEN? in the sixth period of universal activity.

    According to the best theory we have today as to the origin of this generation of the universe, it was some 14 billion years ago, that an immense explosion, known as the Big Bang, spewed out massive amounts of liquid like electromagnetic energy in the trillions and trillions of degrees, creating a rapidly expanding universe.

    Within moments of the expansion, the universal temperature had dropped to some billions of degrees, and the vibrating wave particles, which were the quantum of that energy, collided in nuclear fusion reactions to form hydrogen and helium and when the universal temperature had cooled to a point where fusion stopped generating these basic elements, it left hydrogen as the dominant component from which the first gigantic stars were created, (And the observer said, "Let there be Light) in which massive atomic reactors, the heavier elements, such as carbon and oxygen, would be created.

    Bursting into life and light throughout the primitive universe over an unknown period of time, those first generation stars would have been thousands upon thousands of times as massive as our Sun and millions of times as bright, but each one burned for only a few million years before meeting a violent end, when they exploded out in a brilliant flash before collapsing in upon themselves creating the massive centrally condensed systems called ‘Black Holes,’ in which the greater percentage of their mass was trapped. The first creative day ended as all those gigantic stars collapsed.

    Those first gigantic stars, from which the galaxies would later be created and which would have been collapsing in upon themselves, and evening descended as the lights of the universe went out, and the black holes devoured each other, and darkness covered the contracting space. This was the evening and morning of the first creative day.

    Out of the darkness came the light, which was the first day as the evening, which is the beginning of the second day descended. For the Hebrew race (To which race Moses belonged,) their day began at sunset.

    The second DAY [Period of universal activity] begins by bringing to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it.

     
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    Continued from Post #95.

    This is one scientific theory as to the creation of our solar system some 9 billion years after the creation of those first massive stars that lit up the darkness of the expanding space.

    Whether or not a better theory than that which we have today will develop, time will tell.

    This theory would appear to support the biblical statement, that the process of the division of the waters above from the waters below, [See Genesis 1: 6; KJV] or the division of the solar nebula cloud from the greater Galactic nebula cloud, began some five billion years ago, and that the whole process began with the division of the waters (cloud) above, from the waters (Cloud) below from which the entire Solar system was created. This took just a few hundred million years, about 400 million years in fact, and the creation of our entire solar system was completed by about 4.6 billion years ago.

    It was from the galactic nebular cloud, which was the residue of the heaver elements that were exploded off with the great super nova, which was the death of one of those gigantic earlier generation Stars that our Milky-Way galaxy would be formed in the second creative period=day, as the active universal forces brought about a division of the Solar nebular cloud [The Waters Below] from the Galactic nebular cloud [The Waters Above].

    The accretion of the galactic nebula disk, which was being attracted to the central Black Hole around which it had begun to orbit, transferred angular momentum outward as it transferred mass inward, it was this that caused our solar nebula to begin to rotate and condense inward, bringing a division of the solar cloud, from the galactic cloud, or the waters above from the waters below.

    Within the greater galactic nebular cloud, which was slowly beginning to revolve around the Black Hole that anchored it in space, a piece of the larger cloud complex started to collapse about five billion years ago. The cloud complex had already been "polluted" with dust grains from previous generations of stars, so it was possible to form the rocky terrestrial planets as gravity pulled the gas and dust together, forming a solar nebula. As the cloud=waters of the solar nebula collapsed, its slight rotation increased. This is because of the conservation of angular momentum.

    Just like a dancer who spins faster as she pulls in her arms, the cloud began to spin as it collapsed. Eventually, the cloud grew hotter and denser in the centre, with a disk of gas and dust surrounding it that was hot in the centre but cool at the edges. As the disk got thinner and thinner, particles began to stick together and form clumps. Some clumps got bigger, as particles and small clumps stuck to them, eventually forming planets or moons. Genesis 1: 6—9. As the heavenly cloud was gathered together in one place, dry land, or rather planets began to form. Near the centre of the condensing cloud, where planets like earth formed, only rocky material could stand the great heat. Icy matter settled in the outer regions of the disk along with rocky material, where the giant planets like Jupiter formed.

    As the cloud continued to fall in, the centre would get so hot that it would eventually become a star and with a strong stellar wind, would blow away most of the gas and dust from which the planets of the solar system had been formed.

    By studying meteorites, which are thought to be left over from this early phase of the solar system, scientists have found that the solar system is about 4.6 billion years old! As the solar nebula collapsed, the gas and dust heated up through collisions among the particles. The solar nebula heated up to around 3000 K so everything was in a gaseous form. The solar nebula's composition was similar to the present-day Sun's composition: about 93% hydrogen, 6% helium, and about 1% silicates and iron, and the density of the gas and dust increased toward the core where the proto-sun was: [PROTO SUN.]. The inner, denser regions collapsed more quickly than the outer regions.

    Around Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun the temperature was cool enough to freeze water (the so-called "snow line" or "frost line"). Further out from the proto-Sun, ammonia and methane were able to condense. There was a significant amount of water closer to the Proto-sun, but could not condense. When the solar nebula stopped collapsing it began cooling, though the core that would later form the Sun remained hot.

    This meant that the outer parts of the solar nebula cooled off more than the inner parts closer to the hot proto-Sun. Only metal and rock materials could condense (solidify) at the high temperatures close to the proto-Sun. Therefore, the metal and rock materials could condense in all the places where the planets were forming. Volatile materials (like water, methane and ammonia) could only condense in the outer parts of the solar nebula.

    Because the density of the solar nebula material increased inward, there was more water at Jupiter's distance than at the distances of Saturn, Uranus, or Neptune. The greater amount of water ice at Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun helped it grow larger than the other planets. Although, there was more water closer to the proto-Sun than Jupiter, that water was too warm to condense. Material with the highest freezing temperatures condensed to form the chondrules that were then incorporated in lower freezing temperature material. Chondrules (from Ancient Greek chondros, meaning grain) are round grains found in chondrites. Chondrules form as molten or partially molten droplets in space before being accreted to their parent asteroids.

    Any material that later became part of a planet underwent further heating and processing when the planet differentiated so the heavy metals sunk to the planet's core and lighter metals floated up to nearer the surface.

    Because of its great compression, the core of the proto-Sun finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the proto-Sun "TURNED ON" and became our Sun, which produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus.

    These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago. At the distance of about one light year from the earth, is the great icy Dome, that is the boundary of the firmament of our heavens, in which the sun, moon, and planets of our solar system were created.

    According to the Genesis narrative, it is on the second day that the Lord calls for a "firmament" to be in the "midst of the waters" to divide the waters:

    "And God said, let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under (or within) the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day." (Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)

    The term "firmament" according to the Creation account, is taken from the Hebrew: רָקִיעַ raqiya` raw-kee'-ah, which is defined by many scholars as an expanse, or the visible arch of the sky:—firmament, but a primitive root; “רָקַע raqa` raw-kah” means, to pound, hammer, to overlay (with thin sheets of metal):—beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, out, into plates), stamp, stretch.

    The creation of the firmament is associated with the placement of some sort of structure, and in some modern Bibles many modern scholars translate the Hebrew word raqia as a "dome" or "vault". The Hebrew language appears to imply that the firmament is a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament, which can now be seen as the spherical cloud of comets (Icy vault) in which our solar system was created from the solar nebula cloud that was divided from the greater galactic nebula cloud.

    "And God said, “Let there be lights within the firmament or vault to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."

    (Genesis 1:14-16 KJV) This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars=planets of our solar system, are "within" the firmament. Therefore, the waters that are "above the firmament=dome/vault" must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars=planets of our solar system, revealing that the waters which are referred to in Psalms 148:4; "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens," belong to the greater galactic nebula cloud which has become our Milky Way Galaxy.

    The Oort cloud, or the Opik-Oort cloud, which is named after Jan Oort, is a spherical cloud that surrounds our solar system, a cloud of predominantly icy objects such as comets that are comprised of mainly hydrogen, oxygen=water, ammonia and methane, and extends up to about a light year from the sun and defines the cosmographical boundary of our Solar System and the region of the suns gravitational dominance. Here is the Firmament, the great spherical vault within which is found the sun, moons and planets of our solar system, the dome of ice above us.

    Knowing that the planets of our solar system were already created before the sun came into existence when the hydrogen nuclei within the condensing solar cloud started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy thereby creating our sun, we must now ask the question, “Did life on earth begin to evolve before the creation of the sun?” As is recorded in the Bible. And can life exist without sunlight?

    Proof of this is to be found in the darkest depths of our oceans, where life has evolved over six miles beneath the surface where sunlight does not and cannot penetrate. This subject will be discussed at a later stage.
     
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    No mention of that in the Tanakh. And its only relevance is to emphasize that you're going to tell me how 'eternal energy' went from being eternal energy to being a dog.
    So you believe in magic. As you know, magic explains nothing without the how of how magic works.

    So how does magic work? How does magic change 'eternal energy' into a dog? That is, by what process does the imagining you specify result in the creation of the dog?

    Talk me through it ─ I want to try it out. If it works, I'll call the dog Anointed if you like.
     
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    This article is written by a tax advisor, misrepresents science, presents guesswork as fact, and, in places, is scientifically illiterate.

    Everything is not energy. Nothing is energy. Energy is a property of things - it isn't stuff. If you prefer to believe physicists about physics, rather than tax advisors, read this about energy and matter: Matter and Energy: A False Dichotomy
     
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    It's not at all inarguable. The role of consciousness in quantum physics is a minority interpretation (last time I read about it many worlds was one of the most popular along with shut up and calculate Copenhagen). There are many, many others: Interpretations of quantum mechanics.
     
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    The Anointed said: You do realise that the 6th day is the sixth period of universal activity?

    Blu 2 wrote…….. No mention of that in the Tanakh.

    The Anointed…….. Genesis 2: 4; In reference to the six periods of creation; “These are the generations of the universe.”

    Blu 2 wrote…….. And its only relevance is to emphasize that you're going to tell me how 'eternal energy' went from being eternal energy to being a dog.

    The Anointed…….. Nope sunshine, I’m going to tell you that the eternal energy that cannot be created or destroyed, has become the entire universe and all herein.

    The Anointed said: HOW? The same way that you think a thought into existence.

    Blu 2 wrote……..So you believe in magic. As you know, magic explains nothing without the how of how magic works.

    The Anointed…….. Nope! I do not believe in magic. But I do believe, as do all scientists, who accept the Big Bang theory as the best model to explain the origin of this universe, and that is, that the electromagnetic energy that was released in the trillions and trillions of degrees in the event that is called the ‘Big Bang’ has become this entire universe and all herein, including your mongrel dog, or bich, which ever you prefer.

    Would you suggest, that all those scientists, are nut cases and do not know what they are talking about, and are you stating that this universe and all herein, was not created from energy that cannot be created or destroyed?

    So what do you believe is the origin of this universe?

    Blu 2 wrote…….. So how does magic work? How does magic change 'eternal energy' into a dog? That is, by what process does the imagining you specify result in the creation of the dog?

    The Anointed…….. Are you really that thick that you cannot understand that there is no such thing as magic.

    Blu 2 wrote…….. Talk me through it ─ I want to try it out. If it works, I'll call the dog Anointed if you like.

    The Anointed…….. You may call your dog whatever you wish, just don’t call it late for dinner, otherwise it might bite you sunshine.
     
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