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Was Jesus a vegetarian?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Green Gaia, Apr 12, 2004.

  1. Ori

    Ori Angel slayer

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    I don't think Jesus was a vegeterian, but it's not like I have proof is it?

    I'm a veggie, but people do what they must do.
     
  2. kevmicsmi

    kevmicsmi Well-Known Member

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    He did serve a bunch of people fish one day....
     
  3. joeboonda

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    Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
    24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

    According to scripture, Jesus ate fish.


    The Bible says not to judge anyone in meat. Whether they eat it or not, don't judge them either way.
     
  4. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    Jesus was likely a vegetarian. Certainly, his brother, James, was, why would he be raised in a different manner?

    Genesis 1:29-30:
    "And God said, Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree-yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is a living soul, I have given every green herb for food: and it was so."



    Isaiah 11:6-9. "The wolf shall also dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea."


    In Eden, and, up until the Flood, man had only plants to eat. It was only after the Flood that God gave meats to the people, and only out of necessity. Clearly, in Eden, his preferred society, vegetarianism was the way.


    As well, in Heaven, according to Isaiah, none shall hurt or destroy. Even lions will be vegetarian. Another sign that God would prefer vegetarianism.






    -All quotes from www.thenazareneway.com, www.jesusveg.org, and/or www.compassianatespirit.com.

    James was raised as a vegetarian. His parents were likely vegetarian. Why would they have raised Jesus any different?

    (Don't think I'm attacking anyone or anything here. I'm just presenting information. Hell, I don't even believe in this God, or this Bible.)
     
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  5. Buttons*

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    Karma to you when I can Dru! :D
     
  6. lilithu

    lilithu The Devil's Advocate

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    There is nothing in scripture that says anything like this. All the scriptural references presented are speculation as to how references to meat might mean something else and references to fish might actually be references to seaweed and how Jesus might have also been mad about the sacrifices... :rolleyes: The only real "evidence" that you present is that "Eusebius said so."

    "Eusebius says that James the brother of Jesus was a vegetarian, and in fact was evidently raised as a vegetarian (Ecclesiastical History 2.23). Why would Jesus’ parents have raised James as a vegetarian, unless they were vegetarian themselves and raised Jesus as a vegetarian as well? Eusebius also states (Proof of the Gospel 3.5) that all the apostles abstained from meat and wine."

    Eusebius was born about 260 C.E. In other words, over 220 years after Jesus' death. How does Eusebius know what Jesus' brother ate? Because he certainly doesn't know it from scripture. And if there were some documented evidence closer to Jesus' time, why isn't that presented instead of the writings of a man 220 years afterwards? If you're going to accept Eusebius here, are you prepared to accept everything else Eusebius said as also true? If not, why not? If we are going to start citing hearsay as evidence just because we like what's being said, I guarantee you that you will be opening the door for stuff that you don't like too.
     
  7. Green Gaia

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    I agree.



    Who drug up this old thread? :rolleyes:
     
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  8. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    Just because certain books are removed from Gospel doesn't destroy their historical significance. Not all original scripture is still scripture. Practically anything in the Bible is speculation.

    Jesus was never shown to eat meat in the Bible, at least not without logical controversy over the translation of the word.
     
  9. lilithu

    lilithu The Devil's Advocate

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    Eusebius' writings were never considered to be scripture.


    Jesus was never shown to take a dump in the Bible either. Does that mean he didn't? Unless there is actual mention of him doing something unusual, it is far more logical to assume that he did what normal Jewish men did in his time. Vegetarianism was not usual.

    If you want to argue that none of this can be proven either way, I agree. We can't even prove that Jesus really existed. You either accept what's written in scripture or you don't. Even if you think it's completely fictional, you still maintain the integrity of the character. One can't just make things up to suit one's own preferences - motivated by the belief that somehow this morally validates one's own views. (The people here arguing that Jesus was vegetarian aren't even Christian!) Where does it end? Why can't I then say that Jesus' favorite color was chartreuse? It doesn't say so in the Bible, but I'm just going to speculate that he had a penchant for greens and yellows, and certainly no where in the bible does it say otherwise so therefore it must be true. My argument is just as ridiculous, but at least there is no moral agenda.
     
  10. ΩRôghênΩ

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    I love it when the ignorant act smart.

    Now, if you recall the passage from the bible thats states, "just as god loves the lillies of the field, how much more he does you?" (that wanst completely accurate)

    This shows you that is god loves plants (its pretty ahrd for humans to love plants), then why would that stop him from loving all his creatures.

    Now take into account we try to do what god wants, and when god loves something so do we.

    Also note that there is nothing wrong with eating animals. eating meat is just as bad as eating plants. if we completely stopped eating animals we would see a massive overpopulation of animals in whte world, ther5efore combined with our foresting etc.; the destruction of plants massively. This would watrp the food chaion, which cannot be allowed. we should stick to what we eat now, and keep a balance i n what we eat.
     
  11. alexander garcia

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    Hi, I only read the frist pageand the last writer was the only one to even look at the question in light of scripture. Yes by law Messiyah had to eat the passover every year so it is impossible in light of scripture to say he was a vegitarian. Also he ate fish. But as to in the beginning Last few verses of the first chapter of Gen. all things were made to eat the green of the Earth. not till the fall of Adam did meat come into the picture.
     
  12. Sunstone

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    Then you must be especially fond of humanity.
     
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  13. michel

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    Much as I hate to think it, I believe we were meant to eat meat, as well as vegetables, fruit etc.

    Just look at nature; the animals that depend on meat for protein.

    I don't like the idea (much as I don't like the idea of eating vedgetable or fruits); but, as you say, we have to eat to live. The only thing I can do, to appease my conscience is to give due thanks and honour to the life that was sacrificed for my nourishment (and that does include vegetation).
     
  14. akshar

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    No, jesus ate fish, many of disciples were fisherman, i think it was boiled something.
     
  15. *Paul*

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    Luke 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

    I'm pretty sure He ate Lamb at the passover feasts.
     
  16. spacemonkey

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    I think mankind has been living to comfortable an existance when people decide they're not going to eat certain foods just because they feel sorry for the animals. I'm sorry to break it to you, but the way that complex organisms sustain themselves is by consuming less complex organisms. You'll never see a tiger eating tofu. Most evolutionary scientists agree that a switch in diets from herbivorous to omnivorous is what helped early primates to develop larger and more complex brains, leading to us. I find it HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Jesus was a vegitarian because people of his time didn't have that kind of a luxury, you ate whatever was available.


    "Its OK to eat fish, 'cause they don't have any feelings" - Kurt Cobain
     
  17. Real Sorceror

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    Yes, I find it to be quite a shocker when real life Christians respond completely contrary to how I expect them to. Many modern Christians try and fuse Christianity with conservitave American values and right-wing politics, often with mixed results.
    I'm not sure how anyone would go about proving Jesus's dietary habits. I know Christians should try to follow Jesus's teachings, but I see no need to become little clones of him.
    I find this additude to be very arrogant. The idea that animals are just alive to be eaten and do our chores is disgusting.

    Man is an omnivore. This is a biological fact. However, I also consider life to be sacred and I respect the decision of those who choose not to eat meat.

    ps. you turned my letters funny colors....
     
  18. Real Sorceror

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    Hi blessed. :)
    While your description of the human body is for the most part factual, it is also very misleading. It does not take into account exactly how humans eat. In nature, Carnivores tear flesh from bone or just eat large chunks using only their stong jaws and teeth. Apes use their hands to manipulate our food, therefor strong jaws and teeth are less important. This is emphasis on the hands is especially apparent in humans. Humans are also the onyl animals that cook our food, and we have been doing this for some time. Becuase of our eating habits we don't possess many of the traits common to other omnivores.
     
  19. Random

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    If Jesus was an Essene or trained by them, he was a vegatarian. I think he probably was. The Western mystic Vladimir Antonov expounded upon the benefits of a vegatarian diet and believed as did the ascetic Essenes that all diseases could be traced back and attributed to dietary causes, especially eating of the flesh of dead animals. This and other interesting articles can be found on a website called the Original Teachings of Jesus Christ which features essays on these matters here. Some Esoteric Christian sects like the Nazorean Church of Christ also practice vegatarianism.
     
  20. retrorich

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    Hmmmm? Wasn't he involved in the distribution of loaves and FISHES?

    Mt:14:17: And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.
    Mt:14:19: And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.
    Mt:15:34: And Jesus saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? And they said, Seven, and a few little fishes.
    Mt:15:36: And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and gave thanks, and brake them, and gave to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.
    Mk:6:38: He saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? go and see. And when they knew, they say, Five, and two fishes.
    Mk:6:41: And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before them; and the two fishes divided he among them all.
    Mk:6:43: And they took up twelve baskets full of the fragments, and of the fishes.
    Mk:8:7: And they had a few small fishes: and he blessed, and commanded to set them also before them.
    Lk:5:6: And when they had this done, they inclosed a great multitude of fishes: and their net brake.
    Lk:5:9: For he was astonished, and all that were with him, at the draught of the fishes which they had taken:
    Lk:9:13: But he said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes; except we should go and buy meat for all this people.
    Lk:9:16: Then he took the five loaves and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed them, and brake, and gave to the disciples to set before the multitude.
    Jn:6:9: There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?
    Jn:6:11: And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.
    Jn:21:6: And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.
    Jn:21:8: And the other disciples came in a little ship; (for they were not far from land, but as it were two hundred cubits,) dragging the net with fishes.
    Jn:21:11: Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.
     
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