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Featured Was Jesus a Christian ?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Limo, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. Kirran

    Kirran
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    Our source for that is the gospels.
     
  2. sayak83

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    Cool, then refer to my next posts

    Was Jesus a Christian ?
     
  3. rusra02

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    I believe the Christian Greek Scriptures contain the teachings and life history of Jesus Christ. And of course, "he [Christ] is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things; because God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all other things by making peace through the blood he shed on the torture stake, whether the things on the earth or the things in the heavens." (Colossians 1:18-20)
     
  4. whirlingmerc

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    There are too many confused issues

    Mary indeed is often misused as a god substitute
    There indeed are many positions of prayer such as raised hands. Kneeling. Bowing low
    The trinity is stronger than you think
    Jesus dying for sinners is spoken of through the whole Old Testament
     
  5. Carlita

    Carlita Namu Samantabhadra Bodhisattva of good conduct

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    The only thing mainstream christianity (trinity people) have with Muslim is that they worship one god. However, both of you disagree with the nature of that god. Muslim does not believe jesus christ is the creator. What you are saying is colored if not defined by your own belief as a Muslim. I practiced Catholicism, studied it, and read the full bible. Those verses didn't pop from no where. I knew them beforehand.

    Church means "body of christ". It means the body of people not a building. (Romans 12:4-5; Colossians 1:24, Mathew 18:20, and so forth.)

    Church, Temple, Synagogue, Mosque, Hall are all places where people come together in one body regardless their faith. These are Places of Worship.

    This is colored by your religion. You can't change christianity just because you disagree with it's teachings.

    Life: The gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John)
    Crucifixion: Mathew 27:32-56
    Resurrection: Acts 26:23; Col. 1:18; Rev. 1:5; Corinthians 15:12-19
     
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    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    I don't care about Mohamed. I am interested in God Himself.

    Do you agree that He is not a Muslim, then?

    Ciao

    - viole
     
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  7. sayak83

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    I know that there can be many forms of Christianity that existed and have validity outside the Nicene creed. I hope taking a pluralistic position is not unwise. Apologize for any miscommunications. I was trying to stay within the paradigms of what the OP writer was framing his/her questions. I was trying to answer the following question:-
    Can the Christianities that follow the Nicene creed be grounded on the writings of the 4 gospels and the NT is general?

    But by that I was not trying to invalidate other interpretations.
    :innocent:
     
  8. Kirran

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    I hope you got that that first line of mine was complimentary. It was a bit of a confusing one, admittedly.

    That's a good way of doing things, but in my experience anything post 30 AD is summarily rejected by those trying to show that Jesus was preaching Islam as we know it today.
     
  9. sayak83

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    Oops. No, no I am a staunch follower of Socrates. I am ignorant and I know it. :D
    This would include all the verses about Jesus in the Quran as well, including everything in the NT of course.
    :p
     
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  10. Kirran

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    No arguments from me!

    I think many really don't see that the logic is 'the Gospels are mostly corrupted, but the stuff that isn't shows that Jesus was preaching Islam.' 'How can you tell that those bits aren't corrupted?' 'Because they agree with what the Qur'an says.'

    It's not actually using the Bible or any other text as a source at all, it's totally eisegesic (a recent new word for me!).
     
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  11. Limo

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    Ibrahim is grandfsther of Jacob or Yacoub or Israel who is father of israiliets or Jews
    He cat be a jew
     
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    Tarheeler Argumentative Curmudgeon
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    He began the Covenant which was continued through Isaac and then Jacob. Whether you like it or not, he was the first.

    Shabbat shalom.
     
  13. whirlingmerc

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    Jesus accepted the Old Testament handed down through the Jews as is
    and we essentially have that through the Massoretic text and Septuagint
    Those are the accounts Jesus would have believed in and the Bible Jesus read
     
  14. Limo

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    Thanks for the effort
    Some answers were to the point but others are not according to criteria, explanation, thoughts
     
  15. Limo

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    The whole ancient Christian world were Arianas for about 50 years, they held 2 councils after Nicaea and before Constantinople councils
     
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  16. Limo

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    But if we review Jesus life,belief,practice, worshipping in Gospels we find it's different from yours
     
  17. sayak83

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    Your criteria is completely arbitrary, as I have said and shown earlier.
    But the answers I provided are reasonably adequate to ground the beliefs of Christianity you were asking about.
    Now the onus is on you to show why the supports I and others provided are inadequate from an internal exegetical level.
    Your turn.
    Thanks.
     
  18. Kirran

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    Likewise.
     
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  19. Limo

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    No he isn't.
    All creatures submits to Almighty but Almighty submits to nothing
    He's the Power the Unique
     
  20. David1967

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    Your style of writing is so much like Sovietchild and Paarsury. But how could Jesus be a Muslim 500 years before Islam was founded? Not that it matters. Jesus was Jewish.
     
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