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Was Islam spread by the sword?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by ZooGirl02, May 26, 2014.

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  1. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    Islam spread everywhere in the word peacefully.
    Originally after being appointed Prophet by G-d, Muhammad lived for 13 years in Mecca, people converted to Islam because of the brilliant signs and arguments of Quran/Muhammad, there was no fight whatsoever worth the name. Right? Please
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  2. Mestemia

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    Bold faced lie.
    Which has been shown over and over in this very thread.
     
  3. paarsurrey

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    Was Islam spread by the sword?
    No.
    Islam did not spread by sword. In fact sword is a hindrance in the way of spread of Islam. Quran provides both commandments and the gist of wisdom of the same; this peculiarity is not retained in book of any other revealed religion.Islam flourishes most in peace with its strong reasonable and rational arguments.
    For example:
    Further to post #258
    Spread of Islam in [​IMG] Colombia: [2]

    Colombia’s religious minorities: the growing Muslim community
    [​IMG]
    Interior of the mosque of the town of Maicao, La Guajira (Photo: Julian Castro)

    Colombians converting to Islam

    The process by which subsequent immigrant generations loose sight of their ancestral traditions in favor of the dominant culture is well understood. Less clear is why Colombian natives would convert to a religion that stands in such contrast to the strongly Catholic traditions of their native country.
    While there are no official figures for the number of people who have converted to Islam throughout Colombia, converts are believed to represent a large part of urban Muslim communities.
    The Imam estimated that they make up for at least 90% of the Muslim community of Medellin, while the Muslim community of Bogota claims that “there are 10 Christians converting to Islam every day,” as quoted by national newspaper El Espectador in July 2013.
    Dasuki feels that the main reason why people convert to Islam is that they are searching for “a good path” toward spiritual enlightenment and a healthy lifestyle, one that Islam can offer in part because of how different it is from traditional Colombian Christianity.
    A convert’s point of view
    According to Jusuf, a Medellin native whose name was Jose before he converted 8 years ago, Islam helped him to get away from a life of drugs and alcohol
    He told Colombia Reports that his introduction to Islam stemmed from his interest in Arab music, and begin learning Arab at Medellin’s Muslim culture center so that he could understand his favorite songs.
    According to him though, it was God that told him to convert to Islam, adding that he had always been a religious person, “a good Catholic”, before God intervened and showed him “the path of light,” as he put it.
    http://colombiareports.com/colombias-religious-minorities-muslim-community/
    Country/Region:[​IMG]Colombia
    Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1]:14,000
    Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report[1] :< 0.1
    Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1] :< 0.1
    Muslim Population Other Sources : 40,000 to 80,000[50]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

    I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in [​IMG]Colombia . Do you see any?
    Please correct me if I am wrong.

    Regards
     
  4. paarsurrey

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    paarsurrey said:
    Islam spread everywhere in the word peacefully.
    Originally after being appointed Prophet by G-d, Muhammad lived for 13 years in Mecca, people converted to Islam because of the brilliant signs and arguments of Quran/Muhammad, there was no fight whatsoever worth the name. Right? Please
    Regards
    Then quote the battles Muhammad fought with the Meccans "Muhammad lived for 13 years in Mecca, people converted to Islam because of the brilliant signs and arguments of Quran/Muhammad, there was no fight whatsoever worth the name." as requested above. Please
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  5. Mestemia

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    you have completely ignored every single one to date.
    In fact, you even posted one yourself while claiming it was not.

    That type of dishonesty is to be mocked and shamed, not fed
     
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  6. gnostic

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    To date...
    • paarsurrey has refused to address any issue regarding to Muhammad leading raids on merchant caravans, 623-624.
    • He refused to address the issue when Muhammad condone assassinations (Abu Rafi and Khaled bin Sufyan) in 624. Did Muhammad have the assassins arrested for murders done in his name?
    • He has evaded any question regarding to the expulsion of Banu Qaynuqa from Medina (624), when they refused to believe that he was a prophet.
    • Paarsurrey has completely ignore the capture the stronghold of Banu Qurayza, and outcome to those who didn't convert to Islam.
    • Lastly paarsurrey have avoided the any mention of how Muhammad forced the Ta'if to convert, in 630.
    All he has done is trying to redirect the focus away from Muhammad's past actions, to Ahmadiyya, which have nothing to do with the origin of Islam.

    Not only he has been dishonest and evasive, he is showing his cowardice in addressing those issues above.
     
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  7. paarsurrey

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    Further to Posts #2717, #2720 , #2722, and #2942 in response to OP's Post #1 I have to add:
    Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.
    I gave how Ahmadiyya spread peacefully in Argentina post #2430, Australia Post #2460 , Austria Post #2489, Bangladesh Post #2513, Belarus Post #2535, Belgium Post#2556, Belize #2571, Bulgaria Post #2595, Cameroon Post #2619, Canada Post #2636,Chad Post #2651,Congo #2672, Denmark #2703, Egypt #2824, Fiji #2883, France #2942, Germany #3025, Ghana #3102 .
    • Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in[​IMG] Guatemala. [1]
    upload_2016-1-26_15-7-28.png --[​IMG]


    1. Guatemala
      Country in Central America
      Guatemala, a Central American country south of Mexico, is distinguished by its steep volcanoes, vast rainforests and ancient Mayan sites. The capital, Guatemala City, is home to the stately National Palace of Culture, institutions such as the National Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology, and the lively Zona Viva nightlife area. Antigua, west of the capital, contains cobblestone streets and preserved Spanish colonial buildings.
      Capital: Guatemala City
      Currency: Guatemalan quetzal
      Population: 15.47 million (2013) World Bank
      President: Jimmy Morales
      Neighboring countries: El Salvador, Mexico, Honduras, Belize
    Religion[edit]
    Main article: Religion in Guatemala
    Christianity continues to remain strong and vital for the life of Guatemalan society, but its composition has changed over generations of social and political unrest. Roman Catholicism, introduced by the Spanish during the colonial era, remains the dominant sect, accounting for 48.4% of the population as of 2007. Protestants make up 33.7% of the population, followed by 1.6% in other religions (such as Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism), and 16.1% claiming no religious affiliation. A more recent 2012 survey reveals Catholics at 47.6%, Protestants at 38.2%, other religions at 2.6%, and the non-religious at 11.6%.

    Country/Region: [​IMG] Guatemala
    Ahmadiyya population : 100
    Percentage (%) of Muslims :8.3
    Percentage (%) of population :< 0.1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country

    Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in [​IMG] Guatemala ?
    Isn't it a glorious sign for the wise? Please

    Regards

    [​IMG]
     
  8. Mestemia

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    You have already proven that you cannot see it even when you yourself present it....
     
  9. outhouse

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    It looks like a classical example of pigeon chess.
     
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    You, sir, should be ashamed of yourself.
    Even pigeons do not stoop so low.
     
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  11. cambridge79

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    should we just leave him here alone talking to himself?

    eventually will come a point where he will run out of countries
     
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    I seriously thought about adding a few Wiki entries for him.
    Like Tatooine

    since it is clear he does not actually read what he copy/pastes...
     
  13. paarsurrey

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    One is definitely wrong, [​IMG] Guatemala is not a fictional place. It is a real country. Please
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  14. outhouse

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    That is because he is only proselytizing.

    He has never debated.

    8. Preaching/Proselytizing
    The forums are not to be used for converting others to your own faith or against any faith or for recruiting people to join one's party, institution, or cause. This includes placing links or copied material from somewhere else intended for this purpose. Posts of this nature will be edited or removed and subject to moderation.
     
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    Mestemia said:
    In Post #2682
    What does the Koran say about cars?
    What does the Koran say about cloning?
    What does the Koran say about medicine?
    other than camel urine is a magical cure all...
    paarsurrey said:
    Are you against animals? Camel is an innocent animal. Isn't it? Please

    Paarsurrey says:
    This innocent animal (camel) which was called the ship of the desert in Arabia, was to be a sign, among many others, as mentioned in Quran in Post #2833 and Hadith Post #2854and illustrated further in #2910, #2962 and the latest in this connection #3011,#3110.
    Not only the camel but a sort of a donkey was also incidentally mentioned, that was to appear at End of Days or the time of truthful Jesus' Second Coming in Hadith of truthful Muhammad.
    So Quran and Hadith both give clues about the modern means of transport in symbolic form:
    Some other novel features of this symbolic donkey of the anti-Christ are described in great detail in various books of traditions. The following is a composite presentation of the information derived from them, it is further added:
    1. Like his donkey the anti-Christ himself would be so massive and gigantic that a monster like unto him has not even been heard of in the most bizarre tales of fantasy. He would be so tall that his head would seem to disappear beyond the clouds. He will be so immensely powerful that he would conquer the whole world single-handedly. 44
    2. Despite all these physical advantages the one blemish that he would be blighted with would be the total loss of one eye, the right eye for that matter. 45
    3. This donkey would not merely be a personal mount of the anti-Christ, but would also be made freely available as a means of public transport. People will climb into his belly from the openings on his side provided specifically for this purpose. 46
    4. The belly will be well lighted within and equipped with comfortable seats. 46
    5. The donkey would move at exceptionally fast speeds covering long distances in a matter of days or hours which ordinary animal mounts take months to cover. 47
    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_6_section_2.html
    For rest of the points one may like click the above link.
    Regards
     
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    Buraq was a sort of aeroplane too :airplane:
     
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    It is not mentioned in Quran.
    Regards
     
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    what Paarsurrey will never refer to are things like the following

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_on_the_Indian_subcontinent

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_of_Ghazni

    Mahmud turned the former provincial city of Ghazna into the wealthy capital of an extensive empire which covered most of today's Afghanistan, eastern Iran, and Pakistan, by looting the riches and wealth from the then Indian subcontinent.[2][3]
    He was the first ruler to carry the title Sultan ("authority"), signifying the extent of his power, though preserving the ideological link to the suzerainty of the Abbasid Caliphate. During his rule, he invaded and plundered parts of Hindustan (east of the Indus River) 17 times.[3][4]



    Paarsurrey probably doesn't know it, refuse it and won't read it like he doesn't read the very things he is copying and pasting. Why? ask him. he thinks of himself to be a devote muslim, in reality he is just a dishonest or an ignorant muslim. wonder what his god will think about it.

    Was islam spread by the sword? Indeed it was. historians knows it. Paarsurrey willfully ignores it.
     
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    Please ask such historians to give details of the the battles Muhammad fought with the Meccans while living in Mecca for 40+13=53 years Muhammad lived in Mecca. The most devoted followers of Islam, like Abu Bakr, Omer, Uthman, Ali, many of them, got converted during this period because of the brilliant signs, character of Muhammad and reasonable arguments of Quran, there was no fight whatsoever worth the name. Please
    Regards
     
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    Well...I have never seen a pigeon plays chess before. :eek:

    :D
     
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