Was Islam spread by the sword?

[YmirGF]

Please focus on the following points.

1. Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
2. Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
3. if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
4. Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.
5. Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.

@paarsurrey ... Would you be ok with me quoting this section into a post/poll in the Islam DIR asking our resident RF Muslims if they agreed with this perspective?

 

[outhouse]

The epithet of warrior with the name of Muhammad is inappropriate, one could describe him as the best defender as he was.
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Don't ignore the reply, deal with it.

http://www.historynet.com/muhammad-the-warrior-prophet.htm

Muhammad: The Warrior Prophet

In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction. Wounded twice, he also twice experienced having his positions overrun by superior forces before he managed to turn the tables on his enemies and rally his men to victory. More than a great field general and tactician, he was also a military theorist, organizational reformer, strategic thinker, operational-level combat commander, political-military leader, heroic soldier, and revolutionary.

 

[paarsurrey]

Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in Bulgaria : [2]

The 15th-century Banya Bashi Mosque, in capital Sofia.

Islam is the largest minority religion in Bulgaria. According to the 2011 Census, the total number of Muslims in the country stood at 577,139,[1] corresponding to 7.8% of the population.[2] The Muslim population of Bulgaria, which is made up of Turks, Bulgarians andGypsies, lives mainly in parts of northeastern Bulgaria (mainly in Razgrad, Targovishte,Shumen and Silistra Provinces) and in theRhodope Mountains (mainly in Kardzhali Province).[3]

History of Islam in Bulgaria[edit]

Bulgarian Muslims from Rhodopes, "National Geographic Magazine", 1932
Historical population
Year Pop. ±%
1887 676,215 —
1892 643,258 −4.9%
1900 643,300 +0.0%
1910 602,078 −6.4%
1920 690,734 +14.7%
1926 789,296 +14.3%
1934 821,298 +4.1%
1946 938,418 +14.3%
1992 1,110,295 +18.3%
2001 966,978 −12.9%
2011 577,139 −40.3%
At the 2011 census answering the question for religion was not obligatory
Source: NSI

Muslims in Bulgaria during 1887-2001.
The first documented Muslim contacts with Bulgaria are dated to the mid-ninth century when there were Islamic missionaries in Bulgaria, evidenced by a letter from Pope Nicholas to Boris of Bulgaria that the Saracens must be extirpated.[5] During the time of Tsar Simeon insignificant Islamic influences on Bulgarian art began to appear, though it is believed that these can be traced to Byzantine influence.[6] Later during the 11th and 12th centuries, nomadic Turkictribes such as the Cumans and the Pechenegs entered Bulgaria and engaged the Byzantine Empire. According to scholars, some of these were Muslim.[7][8]

Migration of Muslim Seljuq Turks to Dobruja during the 13th century is also mentioned.[9] In 1362, Ottoman Empiratecaptured the city of Adrianople (present-day Edirne) and within the next two years they had advanced as far as Plovdiv. The city of Sofia fell in 1385. Islam established in the conquered Bulgarian lands in the late 14th century at the Ottoman rule of the Balkans, its spreading grew until the Liberation of Bulgaria in the late 19th century after the Russo-Turkish War.[10] According to the office of the Grand Mufti in Sofia during the Turkish Ottoman rule in Bulgaria there were 2,356 mosques, 174 tekke, 142 madrasahand 400 waqf. After the Russo-Turkish War, many Islamic properties were either destroyed or confiscated for civilian use.[11] Currently there are 1458mosques in Bulgaria.[12]

Country/Region: Bulgaria
Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1]:1,002,000
Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report[1] : 13.4
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1] : 0.1
Muslim population Other sources : 577,139 (official census)[40]
Muslim percentage (%)Other sources: 10%[40]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Bulgaria . Do you see any?

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

@paarsurrey ... Would you be ok with me quoting this section into a post/poll in the Islam DIR asking our resident RF Muslims if they agreed with this perspective?

What you want to prove from that? Please
Regards

 

[outhouse]

What is wrong with the statement below?

http://www.historynet.com/muhammad-the-warrior-prophet.htm

Muhammad: The Warrior Prophet

In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction. Wounded twice, he also twice experienced having his positions overrun by superior forces before he managed to turn the tables on his enemies and rally his men to victory. More than a great field general and tactician, he was also a military theorist, organizational reformer, strategic thinker, operational-level combat commander, political-military leader, heroic soldier, and revolutionary.

 

[outhouse]

History of Islam in Bulgaria[edit]

Islam spread with blood and war

from your own link


Migration of Muslim Seljuq Turks to Dobruja during the 13th century is also mentioned.[9] In 1362, Ottoman Empirate captured the city of Adrianople (present-day Edirne) and within the next two years they had advanced as far as Plovdiv. The city of Sofia fell in 1385. Islam established in the conquered


Thanks for proof of islam and bloodshed

 

[YmirGF]

What you want to prove from that?

What's to prove? I'm just curious how many Muslim would agree with your rather bold claim.

It would be in the Muslim Only section and I would be happy to ask non-Muslims to kindly refrain from commenting whatsoever.

 

[paarsurrey]

What's to prove? I'm just curious how many Muslim would agree with your rather bold claim.
It would be in the Muslim Only section and I would be happy to ask non-Muslims to kindly refrain from commenting whatsoever.

Following are the points in the post:

1. Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
2. Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
3. if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
4. Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.
5. Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.

Most people who have not accepted Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as The Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi would deny him being the Reformer or Caliph/Successor Prophet of Muhammad.
That won't effect my argument. Right?Please
Regards​

 

[paarsurrey]

What is wrong with the statement below?
http://www.historynet.com/muhammad-the-warrior-prophet.htm
Muhammad: The Warrior Prophet
In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction. Wounded twice, he also twice experienced having his positions overrun by superior forces before he managed to turn the tables on his enemies and rally his men to victory. More than a great field general and tactician, he was also a military theorist, organizational reformer, strategic thinker, operational-level combat commander, political-military leader, heroic soldier, and revolutionary.

Please make it:
"Muhammad the most effective and successful Defender Prophet"
Regards

 

[outhouse]

Please make it:

I try to be truthful.

 

[paarsurrey]

Please focus on the following points.

1. Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
2. Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
3. if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
4. Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.
5. Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.

I gave how Ahmadiyya spread peacefully in Argentina post #2430, Australia Post #2460 , Austria Post #2489, Bangladesh Post #2513, Belarus Post #2535, Belgium Post #2556, Belize #2571, Bulgaria Post #2595, Cameroon Post #2619, Canada Post #2636.

Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in

Chad .

Chad ( i/tʃæd/; Arabic: تشاد‎ Tshād; French: Tchad), officially the Republic of Chad (Arabic: جمهورية تشاد‎ Jumhūrīyat Tshād; French: République du Tchad), is a landlocked country in Central Africa. It is bordered by Libya to the north, Sudan to the east, the Central African Republic to the south, Cameroon and Nigeria to the southwest and Niger to the west. It is the fifth largest country in Africa in terms of area.

Chad has several regions: a desert zone in the north, an arid Sahelian belt in the centre and a more fertile Sudanian Savanna zone in the south.Lake Chad, after which the country is named, is the largest wetland in Chad and the second-largest in Africa. N'Djamena, the capital, is the largest city. Chad is home to over 200 different ethnic and linguistic groups. Arabic and French are the official languages. Islam and Christianityare the most widely practiced religions.
Religion
Main article: Religion in Chad
Chad is a religiously diverse country. The 1993 census found that 54% of Chadians were Muslim (of these, according to a Pew report 48% professed to be Sunni, 21% Shia, 4% Ahmadi and 23% just Muslim).[54] Of the others, 20% were Roman Catholic, 14% Protestant, 10% animist, while 3% didn't profess any religion.[33] None of these religious traditions are monolithic. Animism includes a variety of ancestor and place-oriented religions whose expression is highly specific. Islam is expressed in diverse ways; for example, according to the Pew report mentioned earlier 55% of Muslim Chadians belong to Sufi orders.[54] Christianity arrived in Chad with the French and American missionaries; as with Chadian Islam, it syncretises aspects of pre-Christian religious beliefs.[5] Muslims are largely concentrated in northern and eastern Chad, and animists and Christians live primarily in southern Chad and Guéra.[32] The constitution provides for a secular state and guarantees religious freedom; different religious communities generally co-exist without problems.[55]

Al Hadi Mosque - Chad

Country/Region:

Chad
Ahmadiyya population : 220,000
Percentage (%) of Muslims : 4.0
Percentage (%) of population : 2.0
Notes/Sources : RC[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country

Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in

Chad ?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I try to be truthful.

me too
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Remember, The Ottoman Empire actually did forcibly convert many people.
It kidnapped thousands of Christian children, mostly from Eastern Europe/Balkans and turned them into soldiers and civil servants. They were outsiders and forbidden to marry, thus had no family ties or connections in Turkey and posed no threat to the ruler.

The rulers are a political entity, not representative of Islam/Quran/Muhammad, if they did any wrong they did it on their own and for their own interest not for the interest of Islam/Quran/Muhammad. That was not needed by Islam/Quran/Muhammad.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

well actually he was challenging the established culture, therefore he can't be considered a defender in that regard.

Muhammad truthfully stated what he actually believed, he challenged nobody. Had Muhammad no freedom of opinion or freedom of speech or freedom of opinion or freedom of religion? He simply stated what was his right.
Regards

 

[YmirGF]

Following are the points in the post:

1. Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
2. Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
3. if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
4. Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.
5. Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.

Most people who have not accepted Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as The Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi would deny him being the Reformer or Caliph/Successor Prophet of Muhammad.
That won't effect my argument. Right?Please
Regards​

I don't really care to interrupt your rather blatant proselytizing, all I want is to quote your fricken words to see what other Muslims have to say. Are you afraid of what they might say?

 

[paarsurrey]

Islam spread with blood and war
from your own link
Migration of Muslim Seljuq Turks to Dobruja during the 13th century is also mentioned.[9] In 1362, Ottoman Empirate captured the city of Adrianople (present-day Edirne) and within the next two years they had advanced as far as Plovdiv. The city of Sofia fell in 1385. Islam established in the conquered
Thanks for proof of islam and bloodshed

That does not prove your point.
I never stated that the link had no mistake. Islam never commanded the Ottoman Empire to spread Islam by force, religion never spreads with force, Islam never needed to command such things. Ottoman Empire were rulers, political entities.
Regards

 

[McBell]

The rulers are a political entity, not representative of Islam/Quran/Muhammad, if they did any wrong they did it on their own and for their own interest not for the interest of Islam/Quran/Muhammad. That was not needed by Islam/Quran/Muhammad.
Regards

So once Mohammad became the ruler, Islam was no longer a religion?

 

[outhouse]

That does not prove your point.

For people who understand the text it does.

Its in black and white.

It states that muslims with bloodshed captured the city of Adrianople, when they migrated there.

The city of Sofia fell in 1385. Islam established in the conquered

Can you read that last sentence ???????????????????

 

[paarsurrey]

So once Mohammad became the ruler, Islam was no longer a religion?

Please read post #164 in this connection.
Muhammad was a Prophet/Messenger as appointed by G-d and became a Ruler at Medina as requested by the people of Medina and agreed by them.
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[paarsurrey]

For people who understand the text it does.
Its in black and white.
It states that muslims with bloodshed captured the city of Adrianople, when they migrated there.
The city of Sofia fell in 1385. Islam established in the conquered
Can you read that last sentence ???????????????????

History does not record the events and their perspective with 100% accuracy. Does it? Please
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