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Was Islam spread by the sword?

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McBell

McBell

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paarsurrey said:
One is simply wrong. Truth is never judged in terms of minority or majority. Right?
Regards
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It is when you are trying to take a small sampling and present it as representative of the whole.
Especially when the whole is completely different from the small sampling.

Nice try though.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in Bulgaria : [1]
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The 15th-century Banya Bashi Mosque, in capital Sofia.

Islam is the largest minority religion in Bulgaria. According to the 2011 Census, the total number of Muslims in the country stood at 577,139,[1] corresponding to 7.8% of the population.[2] The Muslim population of Bulgaria, which is made up of Turks, Bulgarians andGypsies, lives mainly in parts of northeastern Bulgaria (mainly in Razgrad, Targovishte, Shumen and Silistra Provinces) and in theRhodope Mountains (mainly in Kardzhali Province).[3]
Muslims in Bulgaria[edit]

General Mufti's Office of Bulgaria

According to the census results for ethnicity, Muslims in Bulgaria were divided into the following groups in 2011:[1]
Most of the Muslims in Bulgaria, a total of 546,004 people, are Sunni Muslims, the form of Islam which was espoused during the reign of the Ottoman Empire. Shi'a sects such as the Alians, Kizilbashi and the Bektashi also are present, however. About 27,407 Shi'a Muslims live mainly in the Razgrad,Sliven and Silistra provinces. I It should be noted that 31.1% of the overall Bulgarian population did not state a religion during the 2011 census and respectively 10% did not wish to answer the question on ethnic group. In the voluntary census section of self-determination 14,698 persons of the Turkish ethnic group have pointed the answer “no religion”, and 39,529 have not stated their religion.

Though the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a small sect in Bulgaria, their practice as Ahmadi Muslims is debarred due to the disagreement in belief between the majority Muslims.[4]

The largest mosque in Bulgaria is the Tumbul Mosque in Shumen, built in 1744.

Country/Region: Bulgaria
Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1]:1,002,000
Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report[1] : 13.4
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1] : 0.1
Muslim population Other sources : 577,139 (official census)[40]
Muslim percentage (%)Other sources: 10%[40]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Bulgaria . Do you see any?

Please correct me if I am wrong.

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cambridge79

cambridge79

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wasn't muhammad himself a warrior during a part of his life?
Isn't actually the very fact that islam exists the proof that it originated also in the sword? actually in the sword of his very prophet since if he refused to fight the mecca pagans they would end up being victorious and there would have been no islam.
How can it be called "religion of peace" a religion where the main prophet was a warrior?
not saying that the majority of muslims aren't peaceful, just saying it's easy to understand why some of them embrace a more violent interpretation of the religion.
i mean you can find the way to become violent even following Jesus ( Catholic Church did it for so long ) but with Islam it look so much easier to push that view.
 
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paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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cambridge79 said:
wasn't muhammad himself a warrior during a part of his life?
Isn't actually the very fact that islam exists the proof that it originated also in the sword? actually in the sword of his very prophet since if he refused to fight the mecca pagans they would end up being victorious and there would have been no islam.
How can it be called "religion of peace" a religion where the main prophet was a warrior?
not saying that the majority of muslims aren't peaceful, just saying it's easy to understand why some of them embrace a more violent interpretation of the religion.
i mean you can find the way to become violent even following Jesus ( Catholic Church did it for so long ) but with Islam it look so much easier to push that view.
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It is a wrong notion that Muhammad was a warrior, he was a peace maker.
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outhouse

outhouse

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paarsurrey said:
It is a wrong notion that Muhammad was a warrior,
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False.

http://www.historynet.com/muhammad-the-warrior-prophet.htm

Muhammad: The Warrior Prophet

In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction. Wounded twice, he also twice experienced having his positions overrun by superior forces before he managed to turn the tables on his enemies and rally his men to victory. More than a great field general and tactician, he was also a military theorist, organizational reformer, strategic thinker, operational-level combat commander, political-military leader, heroic soldier, and revolutionary.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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outhouse said:
False.

http://www.historynet.com/muhammad-the-warrior-prophet.htm

Muhammad: The Warrior Prophet

In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction. Wounded twice, he also twice experienced having his positions overrun by superior forces before he managed to turn the tables on his enemies and rally his men to victory. More than a great field general and tactician, he was also a military theorist, organizational reformer, strategic thinker, operational-level combat commander, political-military leader, heroic soldier, and revolutionary.
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Isn't one is biased in one's thinking as one ignores Muhammad's overwhelming qualities of being a great peace-maker rather a prince of peace, founder of world's second greatest and
fastest growing religion, man with reason and rationality, the liberator of human beings etc, etc,etc?
It is for this that unbiased persons enumerate Muhammad the Most Influential Man in History and the top ranker of 100 great personalities of the world of all times.
Prophet Muhammad - The Most Influential Man in History from the book by Michael Hart:
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outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
paarsurrey said:
One is biased in one's thinking as one ignores Muhammad's
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No one is ignoring his positive aspects.

THIS IS NOT a thread about his positive side. This is a thread about his warrior status.

You said he was not a warrior, you were proven quite wrong.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Please focus on the following points.
  1. Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
  2. Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
  3. if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
  4. Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.
  5. Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.
I gave how Ahmadiyya spread peacefully in Argentina post #2430, Australia Post #2460 , Austria Post #2489, Bangladesh Post #2513, Belarus Post #2535, Belgium Post #2556, Belize #2571, Bulgaria Post #2595, Cameroon Post #2619.
Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in
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Canada .

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Baitus Salam Mosque, Maple, Toronto, Ontario Canada

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Lal Khan Malik the National Amir of Jamaat Ahmadiyya Canada (right) with Justin Trudeau (left),
the 23rd and current Prime Minister of Canada, as well as the Leader of the Liberal Party, Canada
Country/Region:
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Canada
Ahmadiyya population : 25,000
Percentage (%) of Muslims : 2.5
Percentage (%) of population : 0.1
Notes/Sources :Estimate[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country

Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in
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Canada ?

Regards
 
outhouse

outhouse

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paarsurrey said:
Please focus
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NON SEQUITUR to the OP. No one cares about your personal belief you are PROSELYTIZING not debating. It has nothing to do with historical events. :rolleyes:


http://www.historynet.com/muhammad-the-warrior-prophet.htm

Muhammad: The Warrior Prophet

In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction. Wounded twice, he also twice experienced having his positions overrun by superior forces before he managed to turn the tables on his enemies and rally his men to victory. More than a great field general and tactician, he was also a military theorist, organizational reformer, strategic thinker, operational-level combat commander, political-military leader, heroic soldier, and revolutionary.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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outhouse said:
NON SEQUITUR to the OP. No one cares about your personal belief you are PROSELYTIZING not debating. It has nothing to do with historical events. :rolleyes:
http://www.historynet.com/muhammad-the-warrior-prophet.htm
Muhammad: The Warrior Prophet
In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction. Wounded twice, he also twice experienced having his positions overrun by superior forces before he managed to turn the tables on his enemies and rally his men to victory. More than a great field general and tactician, he was also a military theorist, organizational reformer, strategic thinker, operational-level combat commander, political-military leader, heroic soldier, and revolutionary.
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The epithet of warrior with the name of Muhammad is inappropriate, one could describe him as the best defender as he was.
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Augustus

Augustus

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paarsurrey said:
I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Bulgaria . Do you see any?

Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Remember, The Ottoman Empire actually did forcibly convert many people.

It kidnapped thousands of Christian children, mostly from Eastern Europe/Balkans and turned them into soldiers and civil servants. They were outsiders and forbidden to marry, thus had no family ties or connections in Turkey and posed no threat to the ruler.
 
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